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2 questions on kuhlis.
July 10, 2013
4:11 am
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mikev
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1. What do you think this is: http://www.aquabid.com/uploads/fwcatfishl1373339474.jpgImage Enlarger

? triangular bars not reaching the lateral line --> p.malayana?

(It is unusual, but these are said to be tank-bred. Actually, there are two tank-bred kuhli listings now, the other one is a definite p.semicincta).

2. Per chance, does anyone remember the reference? There was a paper that had a set of kuhli patterns for different collection locations. I have a copy somewhere but ( Embarassed ) cannot remember the name or where I put it. :(

July 10, 2013
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Think so Mike but would need to see the shape of the caudal-fin to be sure.

Could the paper be Burridge (1992) 'Systematics of the Acanthophthalmus kuhlii complex (Teleostei: Cobitidae), with the description of a new species from Sarawak and Brunei' or Kottelat and Lim (1993) 'A review of the eel-loaches of the genus Pangio (Teleostei: Cobitidae) from the Malay Peninsula, with descriptions of six new species'?

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July 10, 2013
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Hi Mike,

 

I can see at least two P. cuneovirgata. I wouldn't be surprised if they are all cuneovirgata. Very similar to malayana but has longer nasalbarbels.

 

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July 10, 2013
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Eagle eyes. Laugh

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July 10, 2013
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Thanks!

Thomas, these are supposed to be tank-bred. If you see two P.cuneovirgata, then they all should be.

Matt, not Kottelat and Lim for sure, I'll see if it is the other one. the paper in question (to the best of my recollection) only dealt with "striped kuhlis" (semicinctra/malayana complex) and I think had a bunch of manual drawings... I thought it was Kottelat, just not this paper.....
(a few years ago a ran a massive search on all papers on all the fish I was interested in, including kuhlis, downloaded a bunch of papers including this one, and I cannot anymore remember where and what they are :( ).

July 10, 2013
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Matt said

Eagle eyes. Laugh

+1...

I did get the other tank-bred group btw, definite semicincta...came in yesterday, hopefully still alive... I kind of wanted to have a tank of kuhlis that are not a mix of multiple species for a while. I do have an oblonga tank but it is not going anywhere after 3 years (maybe all males :( ).

What is interesting is that both kuhli breeders apparently massively used live food...

July 10, 2013
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I'm wondering how they get them to spawn? currently I have here gravid females of malayana, myersi and Pangio sp. "pan04". Not 100% sure about anguillaris and the Pangio sp. 'PAN03'. So far, so good, but never get them to spawn.

July 10, 2013
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It appears that the guy who bred semicincta did not do anything special other than feed lots of live food. He previously bred p.myersi and another species he was sure of id (sounded like p.doriae variant to me) the same way.

One thing I learned from my cories is that food quality may be sufficient to make some of them spawn even with no triggers.... maybe kuhlis are the same way too...

July 10, 2013
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Matt said
Eagle eyes. Laugh

Usefull for pangio keepers :)

 

Sometimes I'm thinking I'm quit with pangios (it seems they don't like me), but then the fire begins to burn again. So happens last friday,  when I get a single dark doriae at the bssw meeting. And a female of the "old" oblonga type, the ones without dark bars on the head. I think I have two males of this type.

 

At work I was thinking about a small tank for a nice small pangio species like shelfordii or piperata with dark water, litter leaf and some Boraras. The water, the leafs and th Boraras are no problem, but it ends with the organizing of the shelfordii. Ok, have to switch to another species. :)

 

Edit: I said "old oblonga type" because some years ago this pangios came in here in the shops as "black kuhlii" or "cinnamon pangio". Many shipments were contaminated with the dark P. doriae. Not many, my highest count was four of them. But they were available for searcher like me ;) Then "unfortunately" the Pangios with the bars on the head came in here as "black kuhlii", and I never found a doriae in the shipments. Since than I've never seen the "old Oblongas" again. Not in shops nor at a wholesaler.

 

 

July 10, 2013
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I kind of given up on kuhlis...did not get any new ones for 5-6 years now...but felt like giving another try.

On oblonga variants: yeah, there are more kinds out there.... I saw very strange ones a couple of months ago.. the markings were typical, but the fish was shorter/bulkier and the way the fish moved was very different.

July 15, 2013
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FWIW the paper I was thinking about *may be* Burridge ... I'm now confused... the illustrations and map in Burridge look familiar, but I also remember seeing much more of them in the paper I read. Perhaps there is an expanded version of the work too?

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