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African Barbs
January 20, 2009
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I'm ploughing on with the knowledge base and have arrived at the genus Barbus. Now there's almost nothing about these fish on the web so I'm after any information at all on or pics of the following species:

Barbus congicus
B. fasciolatus (formerly barilioides and the only one I've actually kept /rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" />)
B. guirali
B. holotaenia
B. jae
B. sublineatus

I've already checked out Fishbase and the other online resources so I'm after practical experience or stuff from books or papers please! Thanks in advance. /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

Edit: also any opinions on these ids?

1.Barbus congicus?

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2. Barbus guirali?

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3. Barbus holotaenia?

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4. Barbus sublineatus?

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January 25, 2009
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out of your list i've only kept fasciolatus, jae, holotaenia and sublineatus, and had a lone guirali.
the congicus i've been looking for for a good few years now but African exporters are notorius for sending substitute fish.
Steve Spencer has just found that out he ordered half a box of African whiptail cats so they sent him 80 odd electric cats around 3 inches long. fun eh.haha

mick

January 25, 2009
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OMG it's going to take him months to shift those in his shop the poor bugger. /laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="Laugh" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" /> Are the pics correctly identified then mate as you've kept them all except one! Also am I missing any obvious species? Cheers!

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January 26, 2009
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Hey Matt

Hope you are okay after all the severe weather in Barcelona area?

If you go back to your Issue 1 of The Aquarium Gazette we printed a comprehensive article on African barbs in that Issue so covered a number of the species mentioned in your post.

Regards David

January 27, 2009
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Superb David cheers I'll go and check it out. Yeah the weather has been pretty bad in Catalonia but oddly not here in the city; just a bit of stronger than usual wind.

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February 12, 2009
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Well that was a good start. The first species I'm editing is Barbus congicus and it's not even in Barbus anymore! /laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="Laugh" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" /> Absolutely zero info on't interweb about this species can anyone provide some details as I just have Baensch to call on??

Edit - Ok I've managed to edit the profile to a reasonable level but some additional aquarium care/habitat info would still be useful!

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February 12, 2009
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I'm no expert on these Matt and I have never kept them myself but I do know of a couple of people who did keep them some time ago and from their experience I would say that 24" is to small for minimum tank size for even a smallish group (6), I have seen a group of 10 literally hound 3 or 4 smaller specimens to death in tanks of that size but all aggression stopped when they were moved into a 42" heavily planted tank at one friends and a friend of his has a similar experience.

February 12, 2009
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Super info Mark I'll get that edited now. Thanks a bunch! /biggrin.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" />

Edit - sorted.

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February 12, 2009
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Mick how was your guirali. Did it get quite big?

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February 13, 2009
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OK er...help! Has holotaenia been bred in the hobby? And Mick it seems you're the only person on the planet who has had guirali so any info much appreciated...

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February 13, 2009
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I wouldn't like to say for sure if holotaenia has been bred in captivity but if it has there is very little about it on the internet so I would say its a rare occurrence if it has happened.

Couple of little bits that I do know about holotaenia are that they don't seem to do well on dried commercial foods so frozen and live foods should make up a big part of their diet, also they will readily eat shrimp and will adults will even take ammano shrimp and adults that don't have good diets have been known to remove the scales of other fish.

February 14, 2009
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Yeah I read about their scale-eating behaviour in the dry season Mark, like mini Serrasalmus the little sods! /laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="Laugh" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" /> Cheers v. much for the info hope Mick, Andy or anyone with practical experience picks up on this thread.

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February 14, 2009
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Barbodes sublineatus

Has been found in several regions of the Niger River. 5cm. A black horizontal line from operculum to caudal base. A row of dots made by the black edges of the scales meet the other line at the operculum, curves down below it and joins it again at a point just above the anal fin. Has a pair of whiskers similar to the Flying barb of Asia.

Sorry have never kept so have no aquarium notes.

Regards David

February 14, 2009
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Thanks David. /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" /> I've just spent half an hour reading through a 1965 paper on 'Barbus of the Volta Region' but there's not a lot other than basic species descriptions. I've also seen conflicting info on maximum size from 5-10cm. /wacko.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":wacko:" border="0" alt="wacko.gif" /> Think I'll move onto B. jae and come back...

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February 14, 2009
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Hey Matt

You beat me to making a reply. Y.A.A.S. Size Guides have Morse barb as common name for what is now a fish back in Barbus as Barbus sublineatus. Male 7cm. Female 8cm.

You will find jae information in African cyprinids article Issue 1 Aquarium Gazette.

Regards David

February 14, 2009
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Matt, little al vass can give you a good account of jae spawning, he's one of the few thats bred them.

mick
ps i've got a book an african fish, barbs are included.

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February 14, 2009
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QUOTE (mickthefish @ Feb 14 2009, 08:12 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
i've got a book an african fish, barbs are included.

What is the name of that book if you dont mind me asking Mick /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

February 15, 2009
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hi mate, the book is, a complete guide to the freshwater fishes of southern africa by paul skelton.
it only hasartists impressions of the fish, but looking at the fish i know it's pretty acurate.

mick

February 15, 2009
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I've seen that book. Pretty good on line drawings but I think B. jae isn't included? Mick how can I contact Alan to ask for information?

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February 15, 2009
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The more you find a specific area of tropical freshwater interest the more you begin to realise how little literature there can be on the subject.

Even though many scientific name changes have come and gone since it was published, in 1960, I treasure my copy of the TFH booklet 'African Barbs' by Dr. Herbert R. Axelrod. It is surprising how many species are covered in the 30 pages.

Regards David

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