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Another Loach Spawned
January 5, 2010
11:21 am
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Mark Duffill
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In August last year I bought a group of Acanthopsoides molobrion, the tank I put them into suffered some problems a couple of weeks after I got them and I lost 3 of the group, the remaining 3 fish were moved into a small Aqua One cube for a short period (which was the plan then) a month later another one died which left me with just the two adult fish, to say I was gutted was an understatement but these things happen /sad.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad.gif" />

A few days before Christmas I decided to empty the tank that these were in and move them to the sid tank, as stated before it was initially just a short term plan but they were happy enough so ended up staying in this small tank for a longer period than was planned.

I caught the first adult but then had to start sifting through the gravel to find the other, at this point something small shot up out of the gravel and then dived straight back in, this happened several times so I slowly started to remove the gravel from the tank. It didn't take long for the other remaining adult to be caught and as I moved more gravel I found 2 young Acanthopsoides molobrion /biggrin.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" /> /biggrin.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" />

I got a couple of pics (I did get more but was also getting into the festive spirit so what seemed in focus at the time was way off /laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="Laugh" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" /> )

This is one of the juveniles:
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This is one of the adults:
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As a reference for size you can see a white mark in the base of the tank before the anal fin of the juvenile which is just behind the pectoral fin of the adult.

January 5, 2010
12:00 pm
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Way cool Mark! /cool.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="B)" border="0" alt="cool.gif" />

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January 5, 2010
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Cheers Matt /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

January 5, 2010
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wow, isn't that fab. way to go mate.

January 6, 2010
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Cheers Keith /wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" />

January 6, 2010
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Sweet!

Are the adults sexable other than by girth?

January 6, 2010
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Thanks Rahul /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

I did notice when I moved them into the smaller tank that two of the fish were noticeably deeper bodied and they both had a slight olive coloration around the belly and base of pelvic fins, this could have been eggs or totally unrelated but it does seem that the females are deeper bodied.

I cant even say for certain what pH they spawned in because I didn't check /blush.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":blush:" border="0" alt="blush.gif" /> I just got them into a different tank quickly, although saying that my tanks do tend to sit around 7 pretty much all of the time.

January 6, 2010
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Ok MD, I admit I'm a bit jealous, but /thumbs_up.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":thumbsup:" border="0" alt="thumbs_up.gif" /> of course! /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

January 6, 2010
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Hey Mark

Well done.

Regards David

January 7, 2010
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Are the splendidas next /unsure.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":unsure:" border="0" alt="unsure.gif" />

January 7, 2010
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Thank you Thomas and David /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

QUOTE (plaamoo @ Jan 7 2010, 02:31 AM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
Are the splendidas next /unsure.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":unsure:" border="0" alt="unsure.gif" />

Now that would be nice /wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" />

January 7, 2010
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Congratulations!

Now that you know you've got a breeding pair, will you try again with them?

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January 8, 2010
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Hi Mark , If you look at the fish from above , perhaps the slimmer males have got longer pectoral fins ?

Its hard to class it as a spawning , i m o its an incidental spawning , youngsters appearing in the same tank as parents /thumbs_up.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":thumbsup:" border="0" alt="thumbs_up.gif" /> your skill is in creating a suitable environment : /wub.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":wub:" border="0" alt="wub.gif" /> keep up the maintenance regime !

January 8, 2010
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QUOTE (Eyrie @ Jan 7 2010, 09:21 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
Congratulations!

Now that you know you've got a breeding pair, will you try again with them?

The two adults that are left could well be both female,I will be trying to get some more soon and they will be given their own tank so hopefully it will happen again.

QUOTE (andy rushworth @ Jan 8 2010, 04:47 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hi Mark , If you look at the fish from above , perhaps the slimmer males have got longer pectoral fins ?

You could be right Andy, when I get some more or these youngsters grow on hopefully I will be able to say a definite yes or no

QUOTE (andy rushworth @ Jan 8 2010, 04:47 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
Its hard to class it as a spawning , i m o its an incidental spawning , youngsters appearing in the same tank as parents /thumbs_up.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":thumbsup:" border="0" alt="thumbs_up.gif" /> your skill is in creating a suitable environment : /wub.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":wub:" border="0" alt="wub.gif" /> keep up the maintenance regime !

Yeah that is what I meant really in that another loach has spawned, it is only down to the fact that they have been left to it. When it comes to it I like you say I haven't done anything apart from give them ideal conditions but they have still spawned (trust you to be awkward /laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="Laugh" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" /> )

I suppose I could have been less honest and said that I moved them into the tank with the intention of breeding them but thats not me, I guess anyone that breeds fish in reality does no more than put a pair or group together and aim to give the fish the ideal conditions to do the deed /wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" />

January 8, 2010
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Ha ha Mark, sorry to sound a bit churlish /laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="Laugh" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" /> I knew you would see the /blink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":blink:" border="0" alt="blink.gif" /> funny side !

Keep up the good husbandry /laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="Laugh" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" /> /wub.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":wub:" border="0" alt="wub.gif" />

January 21, 2010
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Mark can I ask what grade of gravel you used in the tank where they bred please?

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January 21, 2010
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QUOTE (Matt @ Jan 21 2010, 03:02 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
Mark can I ask what grade of gravel you used in the tank where they bred please?

The biggest grains were around 2mm with sand mixed in, it is very fine. I have the same 2mm stuff mixed with a slightly larger grain of gravel in the sid tank and they don't seem to be burying anywhere near as much.

January 21, 2010
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Thank you, will add it to the info in the profile. /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

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January 21, 2010
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By the way, what happens if they can't dig? Don't they act more stressed?

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January 21, 2010
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QUOTE (Matt @ Jan 21 2010, 09:12 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
By the way, what happens if they can't dig? Don't they act more stressed?

No the 4 that are in the sid tank couldn't be calmer to be honest, I thought when I put them in there that it would be the last time I saw them lol but they are out and about all the time and spend quite a bit of time at the front of the tank in among the small cobbles, if they do dig that is usually were they do it to as I have seen a couple of heads popping up a few times now.

They big Horsies that I have do seem very timid and stressed when they come up out of the gravel/sand but the dwarf dont seem to be that bothered.

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