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Another Poorly Goldfish
February 11, 2008
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QUOTE(dunc @ Apr 16 2007, 08:04 AM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
Good news! /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />


Hello,
Ive found this website i hope you can help,
My goldfish has developed red like veins in his tail fins and not looking his usual self, ive changed nothing his filter, his water tank are as they have been for 2 yrs now. Is this a bacterial infection which needs anti biotics? at the moment ive taken him out of the tank and put him in a clean bowl, thanks
sorry not good on computers /wacko.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":wacko:" border="0" alt="wacko.gif" />

February 11, 2008
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Welcome to the forums, Roxanne /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

What size aquarium are you keeping your goldfish in? Is it a goldfish bowl?

How often do you do partial water changes on the goldfish's aquarium? I.e. taking 20% of the water out and filling it with fresh water?

February 11, 2008
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The fish is on it's own in a biggish tank, probably holds about 15 litres, possibly more. It has a mains powered filter and do a partial water change most weeks using Nutrafin biological aquarium supplement when i do this.

February 11, 2008
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That's good news /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

Are you using a dechlorinator at all? Something like Nutrafin's Aquaplus? If not, try buying that (any dechlorinator will do fine, most aquatics stores sell the likes of API's Stress Coat or Nutrafin's Aquaplus, just ask any of the aquatics staff) and dosing properly when doing water changes. If the water company have increased the level of chlorine in your water recently, it may have had adverse effects on the fish.

Have you washed the filter at all recently?

February 11, 2008
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Usually do use aquaplus, ran out during last water change so need to pick some more up. The filet gets cleaned everytime i do the water change also.
The fish seems sluggish at times but the bowl he is in now is just an ordinary goldfish bowl and the fish has grown quite big so has limited movement in it.
Is this likely to be anything serious as i read up on septicemia and the symptoms seemed similar with regards to the red lines in the fins, should i be getting some antiboiotics? or will a complete water change be adaquate?

February 11, 2008
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QUOTE(roxanne @ Feb 11 2008, 12:15 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
Usually do use aquaplus, ran out during last water change so need to pick some more up. The filet gets cleaned everytime i do the water change also.
The fish seems sluggish at times but the bowl he is in now is just an ordinary goldfish bowl and the fish has grown quite big so has limited movement in it.
Is this likely to be anything serious as i read up on septicemia and the symptoms seemed similar with regards to the red lines in the fins, should i be getting some antiboiotics? or will a complete water change be adaquate?

Hi Roxanne and welcome to the forum.

When you clean the filter you need to clean it in the water you take out of the tank and not water from the tap so you keep all the friendly bacteria alive.
Also if i understand correctly you have him in a bowl????? Get him back into the tank with the filter as in a bowl with no filtration he is swimming in his own waste.
Hope this helps

Della

February 11, 2008
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Yeah, Della is right.

Realistically you don't need to clean the filter particularly often - I probably clean the media in my external bi-monthly.

If you do want to clean the media, as Della says, it should be cleaned in tank water - i.e. take some of the water out of the tank as you normally would for a partial water change then clean the filter media in it.

You don't need to really scrub and get it perfectly clean, you just need to get the detritus off the sponges to make sure water will flow through them without blockage.

It is vital that you keep the beneficial bacteria on the filter media as it is those which break down fishes otherwise toxic waste in to less toxic forms. If you clean the filter media with tap water, the chlorine in that water will destroy said good bacteria.

Get him back in to his tank, do a 40% or so water change (dechlorinated water) and see how he goes. If he's looking more active tomorrow then fingers crossed he'll be alright. Keep us updated daily.

Hope that helps! /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

February 11, 2008
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Hi Roxanne, welcome to the forum /biggrin.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" /> Just to echo the above really. I've seen these kind of veins develop before, and it might not be a problem. As the others have already said, get it into some bigger quarters and see if you notice any improvement before panicking too much. Good luck and let us know what happens!

Cake or death?
February 11, 2008
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Hi all,

Well the filter gets cleaned with the water i take from the tank when doing a partial change.
The fish was only in the bowl for a short period of time while i checked there was nothing in the aquarium that the fish might of cut the fins on. Nothing untoward so moved him back in. Did a 40-50% water change too.
The fish is still extremely sluggish and laying on the bottom a lot. The red lines a very prominant and travel the full length of the anal fin now as well as one other, it looks like my neice has taken a red felt tip and coloured a few lines on it. No improvement at all unfortunately

February 11, 2008
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Can you get a picture of the poor blighter for us?

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February 11, 2008
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I'm sorry to hear that, Roxanne /sad.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad.gif" /> Keep us updated.

February 12, 2008
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Well i fully expected to wake up today and find the fish dead, but, when i walked down the stairs i could see him swimming happily!
Back fins are still red, a few white lines are creeping through now also, looks like he has difficulty swimming as the bottom of his rear fin does not seem to work so well when comapred to the top half, but still managing to swim nonetheless.
Will try and get a picture up shortly to see if anyone recognises what it is that is up with it!

February 12, 2008
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Well that sounds like good news /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" /> Looking forward to the pic.

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February 12, 2008
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Sounds to me like some sort of bacterial infection. A picture would help to confirm this.

Della

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