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Any Potential Disease Pointers...?
March 12, 2011
11:03 pm
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Hi guys

I have a 1 year old setup, 200 litres, general community small fish.

Had 1 platy die yesterday, and another today. No obvious signs of disease or injury. 1 had looked slightly fatter than normal perhaps. (only have 1 male and this was the one that died first).

Now have 3x Emperor tetras looking a bit sluggish, not eating properly tonight, and flicking fins a little. Seemed to be hanging about more than usual yesterday but they do that sometimes anyhow so thought nothing of it till today.

No obvious signs of skin problems, nothing else I recognise.

Added 10 rasbora hengeli and 2 x female platy last week, but they all seem fine.

Last water change was last night. Temperature is fine.

Tested water tonight and ammonia and nitrites both zero, nitrates less than 5ppm and close to zero.

Have treated with melafix for now as it's so general. Will try and do a proper look at gills tomorrow.

Might set up the quarantine tank also....

Any ideas of what this could be or what to look for would be cool, all my fish books aren't giving me any clues.

Thanks
Martin

March 13, 2011
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Have now taken out the 3 remaining platies to quarantine. 1 wasn't looking so hot. Easier to treat them there....if I knew what to treat for /wacko.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":wacko:" border="0" alt="wacko.gif" />

Melafix plus Pimafix for now.

QUOTE (Flyingfox @ Mar 12 2011, 10:46 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hi guys

I have a 1 year old setup, 200 litres, general community small fish.

Had 1 platy die yesterday, and another today. No obvious signs of disease or injury. 1 had looked slightly fatter than normal perhaps. (only have 1 male and this was the one that died first).

Now have 3x Emperor tetras looking a bit sluggish, not eating properly tonight, and flicking fins a little. Seemed to be hanging about more than usual yesterday but they do that sometimes anyhow so thought nothing of it till today.

No obvious signs of skin problems, nothing else I recognise.

Added 10 rasbora hengeli and 2 x female platy last week, but they all seem fine.

Last water change was last night. Temperature is fine.

Tested water tonight and ammonia and nitrites both zero, nitrates less than 5ppm and close to zero.

Have treated with melafix for now as it's so general. Will try and do a proper look at gills tomorrow.

Might set up the quarantine tank also....

Any ideas of what this could be or what to look for would be cool, all my fish books aren't giving me any clues.

Thanks
Martin

March 14, 2011
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Hi Martin have you tested pH? Do you have any idea how hard your water is?

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March 14, 2011
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Hi Matt

I haven't tested pH but can do later - in the past it has always come out just between my high and low range test kits at 7.6.

Hardness I don't have a kit for but London UK so fairly hard.

Today Platys still alive but not looking too great in quarantine tank.

Emperor Tetras still sluggish and not eating but more lively than yesterday.

Thanks
Martin

March 14, 2011
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Water company stats from 2009 on hardness....

mgl CaCO3 (ppm) 272.0
Degrees Clarke 19.0
Degrees German(DH) 15.2
Detergent rating HARD

March 14, 2011
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It is difficult to diagnose the problems that you are experiencing but it would seem probable that the introduction of new fish may have caused the outbreak. I would recommend that you use Waterlife’s Protozin – I always quarantine and treat new fish this medication which has the added benefit of being biodegradable. An excellent product IMO.

The Protozin treatment will rid ALL protozoan and fungal diseases - which are the swiftest fish killers of all types of diseases. If after this you still need to treat bacterial diseases (= Myxazin) or ectoparasite infestations (= Sterazin) then you must WAIT FOR A FULL 48 HOURS for the Protozin to biodegrade before changing onto a new medication.

BTW I am not associated with Waterlife in any way /rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" />

Hope this helps

Paul

March 15, 2011
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QUOTE (paul thompson @ Mar 14 2011, 11:14 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
It is difficult to diagnose the problems that you are experiencing but it would seem probable that the introduction of new fish may have caused the outbreak. I would recommend that you use Waterlife’s Protozin – I always quarantine and treat new fish this medication which has the added benefit of being biodegradable. An excellent product IMO.

The Protozin treatment will rid ALL protozoan and fungal diseases - which are the swiftest fish killers of all types of diseases. If after this you still need to treat bacterial diseases (= Myxazin) or ectoparasite infestations (= Sterazin) then you must WAIT FOR A FULL 48 HOURS for the Protozin to biodegrade before changing onto a new medication.

BTW I am not associated with Waterlife in any way /rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" />

Hope this helps

Paul

Thanks, helps a bit!

Now have one more dead platy. One on way out too, can't get off the bottom of the tank and breathing fast. Could be a gill problem...?

Looking at my Emperor Tetras they are breathing hard too, gills don't look red though.

Have ordered up some Waterlife Sterazin too. Will take a couple of days to arrive, hope it's in time. Also need to decide whether to bother continuing the melafix/pimafix. Not sure I want to mix meds from different manufacturers...

March 16, 2011
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Hmm, my one remaining platy in quarantine looks more with it, but seems to have a huge worm twice it's body length coming out of it.

I think I need that Sterazin to arrive asap...

March 27, 2011
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Hi all

Quick update.

Have treated platy in quarantine with Sterazin. Did appear to have a worm issue. Seems fine now. Put him back in the main tank 3 days ago and doing well.

5x Emperor Tetras showing gradual improvement in main tank, been giving Sterazin in there too. Still not eating right. Their rate of breathing has slowed right down. Not eating normally yet; only vaguely interested in food till it's been in a while. Then they seem to belatedly notice.

However I now have 2 x Zebra Danios with gills way wider than usual; and appears red inside the gill.

Any help would be good; the Sterazin course (10 days) finished yesterday.

I would love some advice on what to treat with next given Sterazin should treat for gill flukes anyway...

Thanks
Martin

March 28, 2011
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Flared and reddened gills sounds like an oxygen shortage to me. I'd increase the surface disturbance as a short term measure until something else can be suggested.

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March 28, 2011
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QUOTE (Eyrie @ Mar 28 2011, 06:33 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
Flared and reddened gills sounds like an oxygen shortage to me. I'd increase the surface disturbance as a short term measure until something else can be suggested.

Thanks that's really helpful - have put on the air pump I have on standby and they have improved.

Cheers

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