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Betta albimarginata/channoides.....m/f...?
April 23, 2011
12:34 am
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Plaamoo
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I've been wanting a pair of these for some time but my shop has only had males, so i've put it on hold. They've recently displayed pairs in seperate tanks of both albimarginata & chanoides. I'd like to confirm, if possible, that there is in fact a female in the pair, and while we're at it, are they albimarginata & chanoides? They both look like albimarginata to me?? all four fish are about 1 1/4" tl.

These are the albimarginata..
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female. She does have white tipped pelvic fins though not visible in pic. They looked shorter than the males'.

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Chanoides.....

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I know the pics aren't great. Taken in the fish shop.

April 23, 2011
5:58 am
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My 2 cents:

They all look like albi to me. Only photo 2 could be female.

April 23, 2011
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Yeah definitely albimarginatas all of them. I do however think that the last picture is of a female.

April 23, 2011
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QUOTE (oaken @ Apr 23 2011, 10:13 AM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yeah definitely albimarginatas all of them. I do however think that the last picture is of a female.

I was doubting about that one this morning but then decided it's probably a male wearing shy colours. I've had males that looked like females when 'not being in charge'.

April 23, 2011
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Yes, I'd say all albimarginata too, I would say that the last pic does look like a female but pic 2 is more typical...

April 23, 2011
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On thing I would pay attention to are the shop prices. I don't know what it's like over there but over here they are insane for both species so you're better off getting some from a breeder or collector.

April 23, 2011
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Thanks much everyone! The fish in the last pic had distinct, dark vertical bars that came and went. It wouldn't come out from its hiding place so couldn't get a ggod pic.
Stefan, you're correct, they are expensive! $44.99 for the pair. I really can't afford that right now but they're hard to resist! I'll keep looking for a breeder. Thanks again all.

April 23, 2011
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For 50 bucks I'd find it real easy to resist /happy.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="^_^" border="0" alt="happy.gif" /> I can't think of a US breeder, but you might be able to find someone that can ship from Europe?

I wouldn't take the dark vertical bars as sexual dimorphism in a store; looks can be deceiving /wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" />

But yeah; they are a wonderful fish to keep and breed (very easy!!) and great to look at!

April 23, 2011
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2nd photo-female albimarginata

Last photo doubtful for me, since I've not seen a female albimarginata with black caudal banding before, the white banding of a male albimarginata does not go disappear even in dull coloration, lack of black coloration on the dorsal fin makes it complicated

All others-Obvious male betta albimarginata /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

Beautiful species, though many said B. Albimarginata are less intense in coloration than B. Channoides in Malaysia, and much harder to breed, I still like it more than B. Channoides since they are more challenging to breed for me, and the coloration was more consistent than channoides(pampang vs another variety still confuse me a lot, both looks different)

April 23, 2011
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Difficult, really? I wonder why that is. In the past breeders, including myself, had to do nothing at all to get albi breeding, even both on a low and a neutral pH. I also found them equally intense in colour, as long as they are kept in a nicely decorated tank. I haven't yet taken the pleasure of channoides - one day I will.

April 23, 2011
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I've kept an eye out for several months now and so far this seems to be typical price. I can order them from their supplier for $15. each + $20-30. shipping, and who knows what i'll get?? I've seen them in the US on aquabid(mostly in Indonesia), but in the same price range + shipping. I wouldn't chance shipping unless it was from someone here that I was very confident about. I'll keep looking.

Here's a chanoides pair(look like albimarginata to me??) for $20. but by the time I get it, it will be more than $50. for sure.

http://www.aquabid.com/cgi-bin.....uction/auc...&1304050206

April 23, 2011
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Yes that's albi on Aquabid. I can see, and agree, that it would have to be someone you'd trust and that you'd know what species you'd be getting. The price you list is pretty steady wherever you look. They're 20 Euro each here, in the shop and that's absurd for a fish that does not even come with a locality attached (which are worth more in the associations).

April 23, 2011
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QUOTE (Stefan @ Apr 23 2011, 11:30 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
Difficult, really? I wonder why that is. In the past breeders, including myself, had to do nothing at all to get albi breeding, even both on a low and a neutral pH. I also found them equally intense in colour, as long as they are kept in a nicely decorated tank. I haven't yet taken the pleasure of channoides - one day I will.

different region maybe, perhaps lack of dedicated hobbyist, temperature around my area are usually around 30 degree Celcius, as oppose to the cooler region of your's /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

some rumours about b. albimarginata needs cooler water were spread around here, for my water pail/tank setup for all mouthbrooder maintained a constant 27 degree celcius with slight fluctuation between day and night, also depends on season(rainy or hot sun), so far they bred well, now I'm having bunch of F2 with me /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

October 11, 2011
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Well, I finally took the plunge! I recently sold some rainbow fry & cherry shrimp and the money was burning a hole in my pocket /biggrin.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" />. I was in the store and these two were wrapped in each other in a loving embrace so I figured the time was right. Just a few quick pics as they've only been in the tank for 2 days....eating well!

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October 11, 2011
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Congratulations!

Now, breed them, sell them, and you will have a much stronger burning feeling /tongue.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" />

October 11, 2011
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Nice Jim. /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" /> They have their own tank?

Cake or death?
October 11, 2011
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They will Matt, in a Q tank for now.

Mike, I think they're going to take care of the breeding without any help from me. They were breeding when we netted them and even after a lengthy acclimation period went back at it as soon as I released them. Fingers crossed!

October 12, 2011
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Nice --- let's hope this works --- and they surely look cute.

(I helped myself to a group of b.imbellus juveniles at the local club two months ago.... just to try bettas... probably should take a look at them, maybe they can be sexed already)

October 12, 2011
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imbellis can be sexed from about 25mm TL - great wee Betta to start with /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

Just look for males being more colourful and the females being rounder, probably with an eggs spot too

October 12, 2011
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Thanks Colin,

Yes, sure like them.

I'll try, they are at about this size, a couple maybe larger...
(Very hard to see them... they behave like loaches here: hide in java moss most of the time and come out only to grab food and go back.)

May I ask a beginner question (never dealt with bubble nesters before): the tank they are in has the surface covered by duck weed... do I need to clear it for them?

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