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Betta Channoides Male
April 16, 2007
7:31 pm
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Matt
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Here's a poor quality pic of the male B. channoides, but you get the idea /cool.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="B)" border="0" alt="cool.gif" /> He munched all the eggs while I was away this weekend but they're only juveniles really so I'm sure they'll go again. Also picked up another couple of pairs yesterday so happy days.

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April 16, 2007
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Sweet fish!! What a stunna! /wub.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":wub:" border="0" alt="wub.gif" />

April 16, 2007
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Yeah - seen him in the flesh; stunning little fish.

April 17, 2007
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Right well I've had this pic scrutinised by a few experts and it appears this is B. albimarginata, not B. channoides! Not that I mind, they're still fantastic fish. Just shows you can't always trust fish ids from even the most reputable exporters....

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April 17, 2007
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Oooh! Revelation!

Looked on google, came up with this for albimarginata:

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And this for channoides:

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What are the key differences between the species, Matt?

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April 17, 2007
12:35 pm
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Both channoides those mate. Apparently you can tell by the much redder base colouration whereas albimarginata have more of an orange hue.

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April 17, 2007
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Lol they may still be channoides /rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" /> Will confirm later...

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April 17, 2007
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If the orange hue is an indicator, then yours are channoides imo.

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That has a distinctive orange hue - presumably albimarginata?

Your fish looks more orange in that photo than it does "in real life".

April 17, 2007
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Yeah that's a pic of albimarginata Dunc. My fish is the colour it is in the pic I posted when it starts to get frisky. It's been quite dull when you've seen it from what I remember. We'll see...

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April 22, 2007
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wow! the other bettas i saw were nothing on that one!

April 22, 2007
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Cheers Kris. He was quite a plain brown colour for the first few days until I introduced them to this tank. The water is filtered through peat, I've lowered the pH to around 6ish and chucked in a few Ketapang leaves. He lit up almost as soon as he touched the water /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

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June 15, 2008
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indeed the picture shows a betta albimarginata male ... i got the both species and lot of people are confused by the species... as soon i can i will post pictures of both species.. betta albimarginata "malinau" and betta channoides pampang"
also the females are different colored.... albimarginata are normale browner.. but in breedingtime almost black... the fry is black too...
The female of channoides has stripes and red fins in breedingcolors... the fry is light.

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June 16, 2008
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For easy comparison of both fish,Betta albimarginata(From Sebuku river) has a complete black banding at its caudal fin whereas the channoides(Mahakam river) has an incomplete one. /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

June 16, 2008
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Miranda I´m looking forward to seeing your pictures! /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" /> Here´s one of my females. Sorry for the quality.

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I´m almost sure I have channoides as the females in breeding/display colouration look exactly like this picture of yours, Haji (hope you don´t mind me using it /tongue.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" />)

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July 21, 2008
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Haji et al, what are your opinions of the Michael Schlüter pic of albimarginata above? I have never seen an albimarginata that looks like that picture (with the large extent of dark pigmentation and clearly orange rather than red body colour). All the ones I've seen posted on different forums etc. resemble channoides much more closely. Any comments? Any habitat/biotope info on channoides would be much appreciated too!

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August 12, 2008
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In my opinion,i agree with a friend earlier today who says that color is not a reliable tool for identification.This is because ..... in my case,my unimaculata can be bluish,greenish or purplish depending on what angle or intensity output my flash or camera's position.The same for my lehi pics,when taken at an angle below the fish with a flash output of -1,the color is more bluish.I am not saying that this apply to all fishes but it seems to affect most of the fishes.

Another thing is that i have seen some albis at a friends place which are very bluish.Found out that he was using a higher kelvin lighting. /laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="Laugh" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" /> Here in some places,most of the arowana hobbyists use red flourescent tubes in their super red arowana tanks.Guess what,yes it makes the super red arowana more redder!!! /biggrin.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" />

I also use photoshop ie post processing to highlight the color of the fish and their surroundings.Most of the time now,i use them mainly to clear out those "blemishes" or unwanted spots in the picture. /rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" /> In photoshop,you can darken or highlight certain color that you fancy.Nowadays photo enhancement or manipulation is easily done with these software. /ph34r.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":ph34r:" border="0" alt="ph34r.gif" />

Finally it also depends on the condition of the surrounding and health of the fish.If given these sets of optimal condition,the color will naturally light up easily.I have been trying very hard to get these conditions.You know you have hit these optimal conditions when your fish thrives and breed readily. /happy.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="^_^" border="0" alt="happy.gif" />

August 21, 2008
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Yeah I know a lot of pics on the web and especially in magazines are ´shopped Haji, and totally agree that colour is not always an accurate method of identifying a species. The channoides used to change colour and patterning constantly just depending on their mood and I´ve had loads of other species that do the same. One of the major reasons we´re trying to add as many images of each species to the corresponding profile in the database is because so many different factors can alter the appearance of some fish. /wacko.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":wacko:" border="0" alt="wacko.gif" />

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August 22, 2008
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Lightroom makes things even easier. Direct Positive toning can be applied automatically to all images and it really illuminates fishes with already bright colours.

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