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Betta imbellis
May 20, 2011
2:32 pm
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These little critters are either F1 or F2 since I did not bother to maintain the container that I kept them in:
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May 20, 2011
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Aha, I've been waiting for a B. imbellis thread. Are there any reliable characters that can be used to diagnose this species 100%?

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May 20, 2011
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QUOTE (Matt @ May 20 2011, 04:46 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
Aha, I've been waiting for a B. imbellis thread. Are there any reliable characters that can be used to diagnose this species 100%?

Green opercle.

May 20, 2011
3:45 pm
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B. splendens never has that feature Stefan?

Also, how to differentiate B. imbellis from B. smaragdina?

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May 20, 2011
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No, absent in splendens (red). Given that you have pure splendens which seems impossible. Even the holotype is domesticated...

From smaragdina; no red anal fin tip.

May 20, 2011
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...and sp. "mahachai"? It has the green opercule

May 20, 2011
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QUOTE (Colin @ May 20 2011, 06:13 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
...and sp. "mahachai"? It has the green opercule

See my smaragdina diagnostics above.

May 20, 2011
4:58 pm
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Let's put them all in here:

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May 20, 2011
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Is B. splendens thought to no longer exist in its natural form then Stefan or is the problem that nobody knows what it actually looks like?

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May 20, 2011
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Probably both. I've seen so many so called 'real wild splendens' and they are all either hybrids, domesticated, whatever. /sad.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad.gif" />

May 20, 2011
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It's quite surprising that B. splendens isn't considered endangered then, no?

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May 20, 2011
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QUOTE (Matt @ May 20 2011, 08:22 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's quite surprising that B. splendens isn't considered endangered then, no?

Probably because the majority believe and are convinced true forms are still extant? I remain skeptical - sorry.

May 21, 2011
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well, this encouraged me to put a pair of Mahachai together to see if i can get them to spawn /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

May 21, 2011
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QUOTE (Stefan @ May 20 2011, 11:02 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
Probably because the majority believe and are convinced true forms are still extant?

...and from what you say even if they were there's no solid way to identify them as such. /rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" />

Good luck with the sp. 'Mahachai' Colin!

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May 21, 2011
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QUOTE (Matt @ May 21 2011, 03:23 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
...and from what you say even if they were there's no solid way to identify them as such. /rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" />

Good luck with the sp. 'Mahachai' Colin!

Body shape, body depth and fin surface. They should be close to e.g. imbellis proportions.

Good luck Colinos!

May 21, 2011
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But how would you then define it from potential hybrids? I'm guessing no genetic sequence exists?

Sorry, this should probably be in a different thread - should I split it?

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May 21, 2011
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Has stiktos totally disappeared from the hobby now? I tried Horst last year but even he couldn't find any

May 21, 2011
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QUOTE (Colin @ May 21 2011, 08:26 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
Has stiktos totally disappeared from the hobby now? I tried Horst last year but even he couldn't find any

Glaser had something they listed as Betta cf. stiktos quite recently. Actually they still have it.

May 21, 2011
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yeah i seen that - but i tend to worry when I see "cf" especially with some as rare as stiktos!

To think at the IGL meeting in 2008 I decided not to buy some!!!!!!!!!!!! /sad.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad.gif" />

May 21, 2011
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QUOTE (oaken @ May 21 2011, 08:55 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
Glaser had something they listed as Betta cf. stiktos quite recently. Actually they still have it.

Yeah I've seen those in the flesh: imbellis. Nothing stiktos about those. The species is no longer in the hobby (and mine all passed away).

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