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Betta pallifina
February 9, 2011
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QUOTE (Colin @ Feb 9 2011, 09:14 AM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hi Torben, no problem - just as soon as we get into the better weather /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

Both of your pallifina are from the same batch

A question about the Pallifina, I had four together in a 3 foot tank, they seemed healthy in colour and eating really well, although a lot of fighting, so I separated them into two tanks in hopefully breeding pairs, the ones I moved (similar water conditions, just no heater apx - 22 C), the female has this dark blotching look, is this something I should be concerned with or is it a stress thing, and just needs to settle...
any advice will be appreciated, I will try and get a picture posted later this eve/tomorrow...
cheers, Wayne

February 10, 2011
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A picture would help but it sounds like stress patterning. Never kept B. pallifina but is 22°C warm enough?

Cake or death?
February 11, 2011
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it may take them a while to adapt to their new setup ... having soft aged water may helps speed up the acclimatisation process.

February 11, 2011
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Yeah what haji said... I often see this dark blotching on newly aquired Bettas but it goes with time. I have been blaming pH change.

My pallifina were kept and bred about 24C

February 11, 2011
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QUOTE (Haji Badaruddin @ Feb 11 2011, 01:03 AM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
it may take them a while to adapt to their new setup ... having soft aged water may helps speed up the acclimatisation process.

The water I had them in was relatively cool before ... and the water is very soft 70 - 80% RO. and I had mixed the water from the tank they came - 50% water change.

I think it might be a stress thing, they have still got a really good appetite prior to the pic eaten some chopped earth worm...

February 11, 2011
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QUOTE (Matt @ Feb 10 2011, 07:54 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
A picture would help but it sounds like stress patterning. Never kept B. pallifina but is 22°C warm enough?

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February 11, 2011
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Looks fine but keep it at 24C and not above. And add some plants and other decorations; no one likes an empty home /wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" /> And, less food; it looks way too stuffed and it'll get obese quickly /wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" />

February 11, 2011
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QUOTE (Stefan @ Feb 11 2011, 06:54 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
Looks fine but keep it at 24C and not above. And add some plants and other decorations; no one likes an empty home /wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" /> And, less food; it looks way too stuffed and it'll get obese quickly /wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" />

Hi Stefan
Thanks for the advice, I know what you mean about the feed, but I had just given the pair some chopped earthworm, and I think the female gorged the lot... If I give them high protein fatty foods I will only feed them once a day.
The other pair that I didn't move look like different fish... very long and slender looking in comparison.

February 12, 2011
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Ah I see; sorry - my mistake /biggrin.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" /> You'll enjoy this fish (see if the pair sleeps together; mine always did, body against body).

February 12, 2011
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QUOTE (Stefan @ Feb 12 2011, 06:05 AM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ah I see; sorry - my mistake /biggrin.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" /> You'll enjoy this fish (see if the pair sleeps together; mine always did, body against body).


Yeah, definitely enjoying them especially when the male colours up when it comes to feeding them, and when he starts courting the female... I've been trying to get some pictures but been unsuccessful...
I've been admiring some of your pics I think you and Colin must be as pleased with your photographs as well as your fish /thumbs_up.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":thumbsup:" border="0" alt="thumbs_up.gif" /> very professional looking. I'm a little jealous. In fact there's a lot of really good pics throughout the forum it surprised me.

But any advice for breeding the fish is more than welcome, I have had both pairs breed at least once, but not carry the eggs more than 1 day... I know there still relatively young. I think they came from you via Colin???

February 12, 2011
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kind of - I got fry from Stefan which I grew up and bred then you got fry from them...

It took me many attempts to get them to hold full term and I dont think there was any one particular trick, just one day he figured it out and held them. I did find they were more likely to breed between 6.5 and 7.5 pH - plenty hiding places too as I did not see the male much if at all during the incubation

February 12, 2011
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QUOTE (Colin @ Feb 12 2011, 03:27 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
kind of - I got fry from Stefan which I grew up and bred then you got fry from them...

It took me many attempts to get them to hold full term and I dont think there was any one particular trick, just one day he figured it out and held them. I did find they were more likely to breed between 6.5 and 7.5 pH - plenty hiding places too as I did not see the male much if at all during the incubation

Ok, I have it closer to 6 pH...
It's due a larger than normal water change,
I'll raise it slowly to 6.5 pH...
Thanks Colin

February 17, 2011
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QUOTE (Stefan @ Feb 12 2011, 06:05 AM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ah I see; sorry - my mistake /biggrin.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" /> You'll enjoy this fish (see if the pair sleeps together; mine always did, body against body).


Hi Stefan
I was keeping an eye out for what you said about them sleeping together, its like a marriage only they seem to get on with each other. /rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" />
Both pairs have been breeding at the same time under different conditions... I'm not purposely being cruel, its the constant changes of temp, we've been having its affecting the temp of the room and tanks.
1st to breed were at a more acidic 6.5pH RO water 26 degrees C
others are neutral pH again RO water, 23 degrees C
now both males are holding eggs.
these are the pallifina young that colin bred...
are they the same species (listed as Betta sp. "pallifina" Tarakan (bought as 'yellow pallifina')) as the pics on your other forum
ps I want that one - Betta sp. "antuta" Bulungan how nice is this fish

February 17, 2011
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Cool huh, them sleeping together! Never seen that before.

February 17, 2011
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QUOTE (Stefan @ Feb 17 2011, 01:14 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
Cool huh, them sleeping together! Never seen that before.


It is cool if not a bid odd as well... could it be one of those species that breed for life (only a speculation), if there forming a bond like channa's

When I had all four in the same tank they would fight a lot male against male and F against F, as soon as I separated them they became really calm

February 17, 2011
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I doubt it - it's just something they do. Like pardalotos are cuddly fish, even in a group.

February 17, 2011
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LOL not that group of pardalotos I got from Torben - They knocked lumps out of each other until they were split up!

February 17, 2011
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QUOTE (Colin @ Feb 17 2011, 04:14 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
LOL not that group of pardalotos I got from Torben - They knocked lumps out of each other until they were split up!

Their grandparents and the rest of the group were just great together. Must've been my natural calm /laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="Laugh" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" />

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..or the caffeine i spilt in their tank??? /tongue.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" />

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