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Betta pi
February 19, 2011
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Got ten of these this last week and posting some pics here to see if they really are pi or another of the waseri complex. They are a great fish and such a pity that the large Bettas get overlooked by many.

If these are pi then the fish I kept as pi a few years back were not pi as they look very different.

Just for information; members of the waseri complex have different markings on their chin and can help with ID. It's how pi gets its name or for example renata which means kidney as it has a kidney shape etc

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lets see what people think /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

February 19, 2011
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Yep, pi. In regard to your previous pi; the throat marking are not a vast shape/symbol so I don't find them really good for making IDs (in life, in death it's different) /wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" /> e.g. compare tomi and pi and renata and ... More on that in my lecture /wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" />

February 19, 2011
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I'll need to dig out old pics! I think these ones have different markings on the opercule too - either way they are a cool fish! /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

February 19, 2011
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QUOTE (Colin @ Feb 19 2011, 04:12 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'll need to dig out old pics! I think these ones have different markings on the opercule too - either way they are a cool fish! /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

Yeah that'd be good! They looked like pi from my memory. Opercle markings are equally vague /wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" /> 1 word: pardalotos...

February 19, 2011
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yeah i get it lol /wacko.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":wacko:" border="0" alt="wacko.gif" /> /wacko.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":wacko:" border="0" alt="wacko.gif" /> /wacko.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":wacko:" border="0" alt="wacko.gif" />

February 19, 2011
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QUOTE (Colin @ Feb 19 2011, 04:51 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
yeah i get it lol /wacko.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":wacko:" border="0" alt="wacko.gif" /> /wacko.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":wacko:" border="0" alt="wacko.gif" /> /wacko.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":wacko:" border="0" alt="wacko.gif" />

Sorry for getting you cross-eyed /laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="Laugh" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" />

February 19, 2011
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Hi
nice col,another good find.how big do they get.
And what is the largest species of betta?
Rob

February 19, 2011
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these ones are getting on for about 100mm TL. The biggest Bettas I have ever seen were Betta renata and they were just HUGE compared. I would guess my largest one was about 180 - 200mm TL?

Stefan, what do you think?

February 19, 2011
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I think it's a close call between renata and anabatoides/midas, both nearing 200 mm TL. pi get to about 120 - 140 mm TL in my experience.

February 19, 2011
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hi
the markings on these betta pi are really cool,they look to have a bronze shimmer effect on their bodies,ive fancied a larger betta for awhile now,i will have a butchers at the betta renata aswell.
i have heard of a betta called gladiator?is this a species or just a trade name?
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February 19, 2011
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QUOTE (robert @ Feb 19 2011, 08:31 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
hi
the markings on these betta pi are really cool,they look to have a bronze shimmer effect on their bodies,ive fancied a larger betta for awhile now,i will have a butchers at the betta renata aswell.
i have heard of a betta called gladiator?is this a species or just a trade name?
rob

It's an actual species, 'gladiator' is Latin after all. Rare species.

February 19, 2011
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Rob, you wont find renata anywhere... The only ones that I know of are in Europe and descendents of the ones that Stefan and I had. Hopefully I will get some this year though! Such a shame as I spread over 100 youngsters about and no-one seems to have bred them or kept them going in the UK

Betta anabatoides were big, mostly long - just not as chunky as a waseri

February 19, 2011
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Incidentally, is it a quirk of the forum to change all words in the title into the first letter being a capital? I carefully wrote pi not Pi as I realised this with the Devario thread I started /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

February 19, 2011
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cheers
and i thought gladiator was russel crowe! /laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="Laugh" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" />
must be rare as im struggling to find a true picture of one.is it another large betta?

anyway getting away from the topic,col i really like these pi,hopefully you will work your magic and breed them as i have a 3ft tank free next to my betta mandor tank,which by the way the mandor are stunning.so all i can say is im a big fan of the pi /wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" />

February 19, 2011
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Ironic...when I started with pi in 2003 everyone was laughing at me (literally). Nowadays they're sought-after and not easy to get. And yes; I had a few chuckles about that /wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" />

Gladiator are just like unimacs/ocellata. Not even sure if one can tell them apart if they're mixed. There's a thread here on SF which shows real gladiator. It's in the pics and movies section?

February 19, 2011
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hi
the renata are nice aswell,anyone got a pic of a gladiator?
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February 19, 2011
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QUOTE (robert @ Feb 19 2011, 10:06 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
hi
the renata are nice aswell,anyone got a pic of a gladiator?
rob

QUOTE (Stefan @ Feb 19 2011, 10:05 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
There's a thread here on SF which shows real gladiator. It's in the pics and movies section?

February 20, 2011
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Hi stephan
nice one,just had a look at the gladiator and its spot on.
Looks like a brute!so i take it these are hard to come by?
i really like the larger betta.
Rob

February 20, 2011
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QUOTE (robert @ Feb 20 2011, 07:22 AM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hi stephan
nice one,just had a look at the gladiator and its spot on.
Looks like a brute!so i take it these are hard to come by?
i really like the larger betta.
Rob

The ones in that thread represents the first collection since the type series... /ph34r.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":ph34r:" border="0" alt="ph34r.gif" />

February 20, 2011
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QUOTE (Colin @ Feb 19 2011, 08:59 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
Incidentally, is it a quirk of the forum to change all words in the title into the first letter being a capital? I carefully wrote pi not Pi as I realised this with the Devario thread I started /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

Yep. /rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" /> I think updating the forum software might sort it out but no way we're forking out for that when the new site is in the pipeline. Fixed the title now.

Very nice fish by the way Colin. /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" /> Would love to try on of these bigger Betta species one day - reckon they'd do really well outdoors here.

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