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Bit of a rant...
October 1, 2008
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think that the channa are becoming the latest fad - certain individuals always seem to go for certain fish at the same time - ie it was rays a couple of years ago, then asian aro , then fly river turtles, then dats - its a bit like fish bragging on certain sites with some people - and much as id like to keep them it makes me feel less so when these people get them. it seems that a lot of people are more interested in bragging rights or 'fish collecting' rather than fish keeping

October 1, 2008
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and therefor im undecided as to what to keep

October 1, 2008
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I think I know some of those people mate, couldn't agree more. /wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" />

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October 1, 2008
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Indeed. It's pathetic really.

October 1, 2008
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better to keep guppies if thats what your into rather than the 'big thing' - saw 1 person who has a decent size tank and good filtration but there was like 5 or 6 18inch aros, pair of rays , dats - all in the same tank - they all looked in good condition but for me i like to keep the fish as happy as i can , not keep them in what is in effect an 18th century zoo (if you know what i mean- animals in small enclosures looking bored out of their minds , not acting naturally) sad really as this person thinks that this is a great tank just cos the fish were expensive

October 1, 2008
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just go for the fish you like, and don't give a damn what people say.

October 1, 2008
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QUOTE (Malti @ Oct 1 2008, 08:02 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
just go for the fish you like, and don't give a damn what people say.


here here /thumbs_up.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":thumbsup:" border="0" alt="thumbs_up.gif" />

October 2, 2008
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QUOTE (Malti @ Oct 1 2008, 08:02 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
just go for the fish you like, and don't give a damn what people say.

Couldn't agree more. I've done the big fish in innapropriate tanks debate to death. One tropical fish dealer laughed at me for being a killi keeper when I said a tigrinus cat needed a tank bigger than 6' x 2' as they grow to 2 foot in lengh themself. Apparently as I don't have big cats at home I know nothing about keeping them. Even though I've looked after quite a few when I worked in the trade. And I should be breeding killis for him to feed for his real fish.

Sad really. I've also seen the fish collecting that goes on elsewhere. I reckon I know exactly who you're talking about on here. lol

What really makes me laugh though is that a lot of these collectors seem to massively over estimate their own knowledge. One self styled guru even confessed that his RTC killed his nice expensive tigrinnus cat (Surely his tank was big enough for both?????) and then posts pictures of a gulper cat that had just eaten an 18" arrowana by accident. Yet, in their own little world they believe they are Heiko or Herbert!

I'm not saying it's a case of "small penis syndrome" But........... /laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="Laugh" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" />

October 2, 2008
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youve phrased it better than me , i was going to use the word that means a male chicken !
its a shame as there is so much good info on the net

October 2, 2008
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QUOTE (Jarcave @ Oct 2 2008, 09:28 AM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
Couldn't agree more. I've done the big fish in innapropriate tanks debate to death. One tropical fish dealer laughed at me for being a killi keeper when I said a tigrinus cat needed a tank bigger than 6' x 2' as they grow to 2 foot in lengh themself. Apparently as I don't have big cats at home I know nothing about keeping them. Even though I've looked after quite a few when I worked in the trade. And I should be breeding killis for him to feed for his real fish.

Sad really. I've also seen the fish collecting that goes on elsewhere. I reckon I know exactly who you're talking about on here. lol

What really makes me laugh though is that a lot of these collectors seem to massively over estimate their own knowledge. One self styled guru even confessed that his RTC killed his nice expensive tigrinnus cat (Surely his tank was big enough for both?????) and then posts pictures of a gulper cat that had just eaten an 18" arrowana by accident. Yet, in their own little world they believe they are Heiko or Herbert!

I'm not saying it's a case of "small penis syndrome" But........... /laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="Laugh" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" />

/blink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":blink:" border="0" alt="blink.gif" /> "that had just eaten an 18" arrowana by accident"...

what killis have u got mate?

October 2, 2008
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Yeah indeed. There was a lad I'm sure a few of you know from a forum that Matt and I used to use.. he would buy the "flavour of the month" fishes, get bored of them within two to three months then flog them on. Always used the same excuse.. "need the money". Aye, need the money to go and buy next month's "flavour of the month" fish.

He had aros, dats, rays.. and a decent size tank to be fair.. but his attitude was scary. He should've just saved the money and bought a penis extension.

This topic has derailed quite a bit so I'm gonna shift it /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

October 2, 2008
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I have to admit I got sick of the amount of people that told me I was stupid when I said I was getting my 7ft tank and told them I would be keeping Loaches, Barbs and Rasboras in it. They would look at me like I was dumb and say what about aro's or rays or big fish but I like lots of smaller fish and lots of variety and movement.

A few of them have changed their minds now they have seen the tank but quite a few still say its a waste of a big tank.

In my time I have kept pretty much everything at some point, Ive done the rifts, livebearers, rainbows, characins, corydoras and discus etc but always came back to loaches and rasboras so for me you will always get more pleasure out the fish you like best rather than the fish others say you should like.

October 2, 2008
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my big problem is at the moment ive got space for 1 or 2 tanks and want to keep everything again. i think ill go with a smallish marine tank to give it a go but for the bigger tank i cant make a decision, hopefully ill just see something i fancy

October 2, 2008
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if i had money and space I'd go for some mouth brooder bettas...but to everyone his own /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

October 2, 2008
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If I had the money and space I'd have an immensely sized Amazon insular ecosystem effort /biggrin.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" />

October 2, 2008
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I reckon if you're keeping any kind of fish in order to fuel your ego or put you on a higher position in a social group it's time to ask yourself some questions. Except danios of course... /cool.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="B)" border="0" alt="cool.gif" />

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October 2, 2008
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QUOTE (Matt @ Oct 2 2008, 07:40 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
I reckon if you're keeping any kind of fish in order to fuel your ego or put you on a higher position in a social group it's time to ask yourself some questions. Except danios of course... /cool.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="B)" border="0" alt="cool.gif" />

questions like...where should I put the great white tank? /laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="Laugh" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" />

October 2, 2008
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QUOTE (Malti @ Oct 2 2008, 07:18 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
questions like...where should I put the great white tank? /laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="Laugh" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" />


I had one of those and had to get rid of it. Would only eat live food and the police were starting to ask questions about missing surfers ...

Getting back on topic, I agree with the sentiment that you should keep what you both want and can house properly. Much as I love my clowns I accept that a five foot tank isn't really big enough, so in ten or twenty years time it will end up as a SA tank, with shoals of small tetras and corydoras (nothing over 2").

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October 2, 2008
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QUOTE (Malti @ Oct 2 2008, 10:59 AM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
/blink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":blink:" border="0" alt="blink.gif" /> "that had just eaten an 18" arrowana by accident"...

what killis have u got mate?

I'll try and post a pic if I can find the link. Nothos, Aphyosemions etc. Nothing very rare at the mo. /sad.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad.gif" />

October 2, 2008
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I can see the attraction with tankbusters. Many are great looking beasts. I'd love an asian arrowana, RTC and tigrinnus, but I know realistically I could never provide the home they truly deserve. Only an undersized tank that keeps them alive affording no quality of life.

People who need to keep something to brag about definately have "issues". Such is life.....

I still reckon a realistic biotope where lots of attention to detail has been paid, resulting in difficult species to breed reproducing is a far more enviable set up than any tankbuster aquarium though.

Just my two penneth.

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