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Blood Parrot Cichlids
July 15, 2008
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At the risk of starting a flame war on the forum boards, here goes....

now , my disclaimer is that Basically I am an Australian Rainbow and Catfish lover. But I have a soft spot for Kribensis (who always raise a batch of babies), and also occasionally for Black Angelfish. So it happened quite by chance that I rescued two Blood Parrot Cichlids out of a tank of mean Mbunas at the stupid Walmart store.

My big male smiles with his mouth shut like a normal fish, and is very gorgeous with Apricot sherbet color and pointed fins and very nice to all the small fish. The female is smaller and shier but also pretty. They are both the size of a decently big apple. They live in a 55gal (US) tank ie 208 liters I believe. My local fish store owner laughed at me and said "they grow to be the size of dinner plates".

since their origin is questionable, what do you all think? Do you like them, hate them, have ever had them? How big a tank should they have ?

July 15, 2008
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Hey Reva

The U.K. S.F. members know how much I like Red Parrots so I will reply to you in a positive manner. I kept, until old age took them to 'the big aquarium in the sky', 5 of these fish, which lived very happily, in an aquarium 60x10x10". They were a joy to keep.

If you go to the Ryedale A.S. website at http://www.ryedaleaquaristsociety.co.uk and then to the articles section you will find an article on these fish.

Regards David

July 16, 2008
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You won't get flamed on here hun, promise. /wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" /> Personally I don't like those cichlids or any of the "hybrid" species like flowerhorns though. I find them ugly, distasteful and fail to understand why some people can't find beauty in natural things (I'm not referring to you here Reva!!). Some folk really like them though, I think there are even a couple of parrot cichlid-specific clubs/forums online.

In answer to your question, the biggest I've seen were about 6"/15cm SL (ie. excluding tail). No idea if they get bigger or not... /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

Just out of interest, does anyone know the origin species involved in producing these? I've read various things but never any definitive info.

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July 16, 2008
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Hey Matt

15cm is a little on the small side for a Parrot cichlid.

The article mentioned in my first reply gives the known details of the cross which produced the 'original' Asian Parrot cichlids.

Since the article was written we have 3 new variants in the U.K.:-

1. 'Bleeding heart'. With these fish the caudal fin is literally 'destroyed' while the poor fish are still with the breeder.

2. The 'helebruni', as spelt on the retail outlet labels, variant. This hints at a cross of the 'original' Parrot with one of the Chocolate cichlids, which once had the scientific name Cichlasoma helebruni or some spelling very close to this.

The 'helebruni' variant is best avoided as they are much more 'vicious' in nature than the 'original' Asian Parrots. The lovely yellow and bronze 'baby colours' of this variant also fade to orange/red as they mature.

3. King Kong variant. As the name suggests these are best described as 'Red Parrots on steroids'.

I like the 'original' Parrots cichlids. They have a real charm about them and a great character.

Regards David

July 16, 2008
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Hi David yes your article confirms what I'd read before, some kind of Amphilophus/Heros mongrel-effort with possibly some others mixed in. Do you have any pictures of the different variants you've mentioned there? Should be really useful for this thread... /wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" />

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July 17, 2008
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thanks for your input guys. I am really busy in my pet sitting business this week, so i dont have the time to look up these scientific names /blush.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":blush:" border="0" alt="blush.gif" /> , but in the USA people say they are either Convict , Green Terror or Red Devil hybrids. I tell you, David is right. They have such charming personalities, and cute huge eyes, that it's hard to believe that the fiercer fishes could be in the DNA.

I tend to prefer natural fish , as you say Matt, and since I like peace and harmony, I have only kept docile cichlids, and also I abhor inhumane practices and dyed fish etc. I just couldnt leave these guys to be beat up and killed where they were , and now am attached to them. They are very tame, will swim alongside the tank, actually following you as you walk by, and will eat out of your fingers like Koi.

I do hope that they dont get any bigger, but I am actually considering purchasing a 125 gallon tank for them. They are currently in a 55gal (208 liter?). (David did you have yours in a 29gallon?)Also, on the parrot cichlid websites (which are not very active for thread communication) folks have reported spontaneous spawnings. Since Rainbows are continuously cross spawning in my tank, I see no reason why cichlids couldnt do the same. David do you know of BP's producing live fry? I have great luck with Kribs, so am hoping maybe to see some action with these two. They currently live with botias , pictus cats and a school of scissortail and brilliant rasboras.

July 17, 2008
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As far as I'm aware, the males are sterile and thus can only produce offspring with hormone injections.

July 17, 2008
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Hey Folks

Riva - Glad you are enjoying your Parrots so much. My Parrots lived, and really grew, in the aquarium quoted in my first reply. They had the company of various Synodontis species and large loricarins. I 'lost' 2 at around 5 years in my company while the remaining 3 lived for a further 24 months.

I also had some of the helebruni variant but they, sadly, did not prove to be as strong.

dunc - When the Red Parrots first arrived in the U.K. Far Eastern wholesalers told U.K. retailers that these fish were sterile. However the fish themselves had other ideas and soon set about reproducing.

Riva - Yes I know of BP's producing fry. However, as with the 'normal' Red Parrots, all of the fry were green in colour and grew into muddy-green sub-adults. Look forward to hearing how your Parrots progress.

Regards David

July 17, 2008
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I think that they have been bred successfully Dunc but most males turn out to be infertile. Someone else may know more. Here's a picture of the "hellabrunni" (potential cross with Hypselecara temporalis) that David mentioned, courtesy of Arthur Kenworthy. /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

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July 18, 2008
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QUOTE (Matt @ Jul 17 2008, 12:59 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think that they have been bred successfully Dunc but most males turn out to be infertile. Someone else may know more. Here's a picture of the "hellabrunni" (potential cross with Hypselecara temporalis) that David mentioned, courtesy of Arthur Kenworthy. /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

My female looks like these fish ie typical, but my male doesnt. He doesnt have the severe arch to the dorsal area, and he closes his mouth completely, and his fins flow along his body and into points like a normal cichlid male. His color is very brilliant peach/carnation and his eyes are normal but just big. My sister took a pic of him and I am trying to get her to email it to me so I can post it. My camera isnt worth it's weight in dirt..gonna have to get a good one soon. anyhow, thanks for the friendly posting. I dont think everyone has to like them, but there they are...alive in the Walmart...needing a home /wub.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":wub:" border="0" alt="wub.gif" />

I dont think I will be having any green babies /laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="Laugh" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" /> but I'll let you know if I do...they cant be any uglier than some of those hideous frontosa's (pardon me if anyone has them) /blush.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":blush:" border="0" alt="blush.gif" />

July 18, 2008
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Frontosas are gorgeous /ohmy.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":o" border="0" alt="ohmy.gif" />

July 18, 2008
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well they're a bit weird looking...remind me of Klingons somehow /laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="Laugh" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" />

but I like them

July 18, 2008
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QUOTE (Malti @ Jul 18 2008, 08:52 AM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
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well they're a bit weird looking...remind me of Klingons somehow /laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="Laugh" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" />

but I like them

Sorry Duncan /rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" /> At least I got a rise outa ya....now you have something legitimate to complain about if the day goes wrong ("and there's this nutcase of a woman on my website, who likes Parrot Cichlids of all things, and thinks Frontosas are bulldog ugly") /wacko.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":wacko:" border="0" alt="wacko.gif" />

Malti, they're TOTALLY Klingon..."Mahlt Choy-Chu!", or as Captain Kirk would say, while kicking it in the face "I have HAD-Enough-of-YOU" /laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="Laugh" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" />
Seriously, my male fish has a topline like this nice Frontosa...I make my point, I'll say no more...
thanks for the pic ...I rest my case /cool.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="B)" border="0" alt="cool.gif" />

July 19, 2008
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QUOTE (Reva @ Jul 18 2008, 08:18 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
Seriously, my male fish has a topline like this nice Frontosa...I make my point, I'll say no more...
thanks for the pic ...I rest my case /cool.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="B)" border="0" alt="cool.gif" />

so your male' s topline is fugly? /tongue.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" />

July 19, 2008
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QUOTE (Malti @ Jul 19 2008, 01:25 AM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
so your male' s topline is fugly? /tongue.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" />

Yep, fugly as can be , I say ...fugly /ph34r.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":ph34r:" border="0" alt="ph34r.gif" />

July 20, 2008
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QUOTE (Reva @ Jul 18 2008, 07:18 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sorry Duncan /rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" /> At least I got a rise outa ya....now you have something legitimate to complain about if the day goes wrong ("and there's this nutcase of a woman on my website, who likes Parrot Cichlids of all things, and thinks Frontosas are bulldog ugly") /wacko.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":wacko:" border="0" alt="wacko.gif" />


/laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="Laugh" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" /> You cracker /biggrin.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" />

July 22, 2008
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QUOTE (dunc @ Jul 20 2008, 06:02 AM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
/laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="Laugh" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" /> You cracker /biggrin.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" />

I take it that in the UK a Cracker is like a Corker and it's a compliment? /rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" />
In the US however, a Cracker is an ignorant Southerner .... *polishes sword with clove oil and silk*
/ph34r.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":ph34r:" border="0" alt="ph34r.gif" />

July 22, 2008
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QUOTE (Reva @ Jul 22 2008, 08:53 AM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
I take it that in the UK a Cracker is like a Corker and it's a compliment? /rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" />
In the US however, a Cracker is an ignorant Southerner .... *polishes sword with clove oil and silk*
/ph34r.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":ph34r:" border="0" alt="ph34r.gif" />

here cracker is something to eat with cheese...and loadza beer...so u could be an appetizer /laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="Laugh" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" />

clove oil and silk...reminded me of Hannibal Rising

btw almost got my 1st Parrot Cichlid, but i don't think i've got enough space for it

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A cracker is a "loony" ;x

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QUOTE (dunc @ Jul 22 2008, 11:51 AM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
A cracker is a "loony" ;x

I can already imagine the chopping up...

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