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Botia Spp.
January 27, 2010
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Matt
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Experiences with B. almorhae, please. /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

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January 27, 2010
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in what way Matt?

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January 27, 2010
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Ok well I've got plenty of papers so need aquarium experiences, particularly regarding how aggressive it is since reports seem to vary. Would you keep it with any other loaches?

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January 27, 2010
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I keep my several B. almorhae with kubotai, striata, histrionica, rostrata, dario, schistura beavani and Schistura kohchangensis as well as cherry barbs, danios and rasboras.

The almorhae are very placid they do have the odd skirmish amongst themselves but they dont bother any of the other loaches.

January 28, 2010
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Cheers Mark. /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" /> Any input from others much appreciated.

Does anyone know anything about the mechanism by which Botia are able to produce these clicking sounds? I've found various references to grinding of the pharyngeal teeth but am after a more technical description. Presumably if the pharyngeals are used the sound is amplified via the swim bladder as in some other fishes?

Yasuhikotakia spp. can also make these sounds right? What about Syncrossus, Sinibotia etc.?

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January 28, 2010
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I don't keep almorhae Matt so no help, sorry. I have kubotai,striata, and histrionica. The only ones that I've definitely heard clicking are the histies in a feeding frenzy. It would be interesting to know exactly how they do it?

January 28, 2010
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Presumably if the pharyngeals are used the sound is amplified via the swim bladder as in some other fishes?

I think that is probably the most plausible explanation Matt, I think the swim bladder does play a big part, I have noticed especially in the histrionica that there is usually a side ways movement of the head when they click and the greater the head movement the louder the click so I would think it is made using a bone in the skull or pharyngeals.

Yeah the Yasuhikotakia's are probably the loudest, I have heard clicks from both Syncrossus and Sinibotia

I am certain I have heard clicks although feint from my Acanthocobitis rubidipinnis and Schistura balteata but wont say 100%.

January 31, 2010
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Next question! /tongue.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" /> This 'loachy dance' thing. When do they most often do it? Which genera is it restricted to?

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February 1, 2010
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B. striata definitely click, mine do it most around tablet food, or any food they need to work at, I've never witnessed them clicking over flake food, frozen food or soft live food such as bloodworm and grindal worm.

For me, the 'loachy dance' is prevalent in the B. striata over my sids. My Pangio anguillaris did it for about 3 days when they were first introduced to the tank but, have not bothered since - they were perhaps the most graceful to look at though, and you could put your hand in the tank and they would wind through your fingers, and rest on them too /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" /> The B. striata tend to do it when I make decor changes to the tank, especially hardscape. I know some people experience it when they do water changes, but I don't.

February 1, 2010
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I find the loachy dance is more often seen in my fish when new loaches are added, I haven't seen it from the Sinibotia it does seem to me to be more limited to the Botia species mainly and occasionally in the Yasuhikotakia's.

February 1, 2010
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How long does the dance usually last?

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February 1, 2010
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Hey

Botia modesta make all kinds of 'clicking' noises.

Regards David

February 1, 2010
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QUOTE (Matt @ Feb 1 2010, 12:15 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
How long does the dance usually last?

Varies really, I have seen them do it for a couple of minutes and other times all day.

February 1, 2010
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My experiences agree with MD's, from minutes to a day - or more!

February 1, 2010
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Thanks a lot for the help chaps! /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

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February 1, 2010
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Mine...kubotai/striata/hostrionica... do it daily at feeding time (now!), especially if I'm a little late! Other times at random, for different reasons it seems. When happy or after a spat, or just bored? I have one grumpy kubota (I bought him from a tank full of y. morleti) that gets very annoyed with the dancers, breaks up the party and runs them off!

February 2, 2010
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Ok thanks again for the assistance all. First profile is now finished but if you spot any mistakes or something I've missed please let me know.

Botia kubotai

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February 5, 2010
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Ok couple more questions. Is B. striata the only species with red barbels and are they always red or is it some kind of breeding colouration? Is it the only Botia to show red barbels?

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February 5, 2010
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I have seen a little red in the barbels of a couple of my rostrata but nothing to the degree of striata.

I am not sure as to the significance of the red barbels in striata, I have seen some heavily gravid females with very red barbels and the same in big males, last year I got a group of 10 that had no red in their barbels at all until I got them home and the were all gasping in their bags and you would think that they had all been smacked in the nose they were all so red. It could be a spawning thing or even a stress thing I wouldn't like to say 100%.

February 6, 2010
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All my B. striata appear to have the red barbels in varying shades. I don't have any other Botia species to compare to. I have two pics though, taken tonight - prompted by this query /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

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