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Botia Temperament
March 2, 2009
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A couple of weeks ago I removed my 3" botia almorhae (yoyo) loach from the tank I converted to small tetras, and moved him into the 55 (209 liter), with the Parrot Cichlids, dither fish (barbs & rasboras), 3 pictus, 1plec, and another, same sized botia almorhae and a blue, red finned botia , (yasuhikotakia modesta).

Yesterday I observed the two yoyos nipping and chasing the catfish. This morning I find some barbs missing bottom half of caudal fins (they are pretty big tiger barbs too). The blue botia never comes out of his cave unless there is an especially tasty treat.

One website I read said that the blue guy is very shy. The loaches online website says they are aggressive. But the only ones I see being bad are the supposedly benign yoyos. Some websites say that skunk loaches are great for community tanks too, and we all know that they are nasty little guys. I am getting ready to trade in the yoyos today, and am wondering what you guys think of the blue's (yasuhikotakia modesta) temperment. Anyone experienced them being shy or aggressive? The store only had one when I bought him, and I got the yoyo to be his pal. Everything seemed ok for a while. Now scissortail rasboras are disappearing as well. They might just be old (about 8yrs old), but maybe not. Thanks for any help. I have to do something quick /ph34r.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":ph34r:" border="0" alt="ph34r.gif" />

March 2, 2009
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I wouldn't be surprised if the modesta was to blame Reva having witnessed their aggression first hand in the shop. In general Yasuhikotakia/Botia sp. do best in groups too.

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March 2, 2009
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worst incident with the 'botia species' i have seen was with skunk botia - morleti - got an order of around 100 of them in by mistake (sent in to make up for other missing fish on an order) and put them in a couple of tanks , 1 of which had some albino cory in. the morleti went around each cory in turn , first of all biting out their eyes and then coming back around and finishing them off and eating them - by the time i saw what they were doing most of the cory s were damaged or dead - only in a few minutes - couldnt believe how bad it had been as they werent too dissimilar in size and had only been in a few mins - i suppose they must have been hungry with shipping from asia. little sods.

March 2, 2009
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Ps. Reva I'd trust the info on Loaches Online over any other site on the web regarding these fish by the way. /wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" />

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March 3, 2009
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Thanks guys. That is quite a horror story regarding the skunk loaches. I had a little group of four (are they morleti rather than horae now?) of them for a short period of time, and they ate snails like mad and then some tetras started missing their eyeballs, so I got rid of them quickly.

The Loaches Online folks list the modesta as "territorial" not aggressive. But there was only one of him to buy (when he was little) and I thought they would get more. Good thing they didnt I guess....

Anyhow, I had to take EVERYTHING out of the tank to catch the loaches (by this afternoon, even my pictus were hiding behind the filter tubes and heater!! ...like no normal cave was safe), and in doing so I discovered the rest of the story...

I had been losing a rasbora here and there (they were nice 2" size and pretty old), so it was perhaps also modesta, but the shocker was that the two almorhae had fought to the DEATH. I think the winner was the original resident, even though they were exactly the same size. One had killed the other and then went on a killing spree I guess. So I took them both (the winning yoyo and the modesta) to the LFS along with a few bunches of java fern overgrowth. Brought back some replacement dither fish, and now , only the Golden Burma loach is left, checking out the many caves that he can choose from now. (yesterday I noticed the yoyo really attacking the histrionica, which came in with the other yoyo too)

I have never had any trouble from striata, macracanthas, histrionica or kubotai/angelicus, and they are amusing and useful , but WHEW...ignorant buyer beware indeed!

Thanks for your advice /blink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":blink:" border="0" alt="blink.gif" />

March 3, 2009
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Hope things settle down for you now Reva. Yes it's now Yasuhikotakia morleti. /wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" />

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March 3, 2009
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QUOTE (Matt @ Mar 3 2009, 09:55 AM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hope things settle down for you now Reva. Yes it's now Yasuhikotakia morleti. /wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" />

Well, the "yasuhikotakia" part of the name is fitting...they all seem to be the naughty ones ..however , I wonder why they gave that same designation to yasuhikotakia sidthumunki also???? It has a totally different body shape. I have never had sidthumunki, but they are described as good community fish ( now i have doubts though).

This morning, the lone histrionica has chosen his cave (oddly, not the cave the yoyo used, but the one the morleti used). He knows the other guys are gone and this morning was happily out cruising. He chased a couple of rosey barbs at feeding time, but nothing serious. I hope he didnt learn aggression. Do you think I should try and find some larger histrionica quickly, so that he doesnt learn to be single and wierd? I have the two baby histrionica in the neon tank, and plan to move them in with this large one when they are bigger. But i really dont want this one to become a loner that cant tolerate his own kind.

The loaches online folks mention about yoyos that some people recommend keeping only one, but they thought that made them target other species. Mine targeted his own kind first and then other species. Makes a case for buying several at once instead of onesie twosie. More expensive, less frustrating. /ph34r.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":ph34r:" border="0" alt="ph34r.gif" />

March 3, 2009
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Hi Reva, sorry to hear about your problems.

Y. Modesta can be particularly aggressive and should be kept in groups in a specialised tank that we loachy people refer to as a Grrr tank, all of the yasuhikotakia can show heightened levels of aggression even the sidthimunki.

Sidthimunki kept singly or even in groups of 5 or under can show a lot of aggression to tank mates and will harass any fish in the tank, I have had a trio of 2" sid's harass a trio of 6" tiger loach and trio of 8" severum's. It is only now that I have 50 sid's that they are now placid and keep any aggression amongst themselves, ideally sid's should be kept in groups of 5 to 10 at a minimum.

Yoyo's can be a bit funny when kept in small groups or groups to big, I have 10 and they do display bursts of aggression occasionally and will have a scrap with the rostrata's and kubotai's but nothing to serious, I do know of people that have kept 1 and 2 yoyo's and they have been fine equally I have heard reports of lone specimens wiping out tanks.

Histrionica's are one of the most peaceful Botia's, they will chase fish but rarely do any damage. Ideally you should be aiming to keep any Botia species in groups of 3+, how big are your histies?

March 4, 2009
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QUOTE (Mad Duff @ Mar 3 2009, 09:15 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
Histrionica's are one of the most peaceful Botia's, they will chase fish but rarely do any damage. Ideally you should be aiming to keep any Botia species in groups of 3+, how big are your histies?

My LFS only recently began stocking Histrionica, and when I first saw one for sale , there was only one. I bought it several months ago and it is now 3" going on 4. It and the yoyo that got killed (who was 4 1/2"), grew up together in the 37gallon (140 liter) with juvenile Leopard Bush Fish (ctenopoma) and tiger barbs.
Recently, the same LFS got two more histrionica's in and I bought them too. They are living with two same size clown loaches in the 140liter, which has been converted to a neon etc tetra tank. They are less than an inch...really only fry!
So the large histie, now lives alone, in the Parrot Cichlid 55 gallon (209liter) as I traded in the modesta and the naughty yoyo.

In my other 209 , which is the Rainbow tank, I have 2 clowns that are 4" and 5", four full grown striata at 2" and two kubotai at 3" each.

Eventually I will have four of each I hope. I have to purchase a couple more kubotai and set up another tank, so that I have enough room for everyone who is growing. Do you think that the kubotai would get along with histrionica? I could move them if it's best for the one not to be alone and develop wierd habbits. Unfortunately, I cant find anything larger than 2" for sale, and that's nearly always clowns. *sigh* I really like loaches very much, but this has been an eye opener. Thanks for telling me that sidthumunki were nasty too, as I was going to get those for the smaller tank when the histie babies were big enough to move to the big tank. /sad.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad.gif" />

March 4, 2009
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Thew kubotai should be fine with the histie, I have kubotai at 5" in with me 6" histies in my 250 gallon tank and kubotai's upto 4" in with histies of around 2" in my 75 gallon tank and they get one really well. They do have their little scraps and grey out for a while but nothing overly aggressive just the usual loach scuffles.

The sid's are a nice fish when given plenty of room and kept in a big enough group, if you could get hold of 10 to 15 then I dont think you would have any problems with them in a 37 gallon tank as long as you give them plenty of wood and caves etc.

March 4, 2009
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I have plenty of bog wood and ceramic jar caves and plants. I would LOVE to have a 250gallon *sigh sigh sigh* /cool.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="B)" border="0" alt="cool.gif" /> I think what I will do is purchase two more kubotai (I can find those at a slightly larger size..2" or so, if I go off island to search), and add them in with the loner histie, so that he doesnt turn wierd and antisocial. A few days rest from the stress of the other two bullies should be good. You think? Thanks for the advice. While I have your ear, what do you think of the temperament of Schistura paucifasciata ? I dont know it's common popular name, but it looks like a dojo loach with odd coloring and tiny stripes.

March 4, 2009
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The loaches that I have seen with the name Schistura paucifasciata have actually been schistura balteata or Schistura cf balteata, these are a nice little fish that can be feisty among themselves but tend not to bother other tank mates. A group of these can be kept in the same tank as long as there are plenty of hiding places and decor to break their line of sight, in a tank of around 37 gallon I would only keep 1 or 2.

March 4, 2009
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I had my group of 6 cf. balteata's in a 23 (UK) gallon tank and experienced zero aggression but it was absolutely stuffed full of rockwork and they each had their own favourite rock which they would sit under until feeding time.

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Yes Matt, those are the ones I mean...I think the popular name is Sumo loach. How big is that tank in liters or US gallons? how big do they get? 4" ie neon eating size? do they ever eat snails? /biggrin.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" />

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