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Burmese blood Red Danio (really a Devario)
April 7, 2014
5:23 am
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I picked up 4 of these when I finally got up to Portland last weekend and could actually see them.
Depending on the lighting they look more or less reddish. Light from above makes them look reddish, more from the side and they are more yellow and less red.

They are the size of giant danios (a Devario) .
To me they seem like a large reddish Devario devario, but if anyone has other ideas, I would like to hear them.
 
Here are some pictures showing the them in lighting showing either red or less red conditions:

male, reddish:

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males, not reddish:

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female, reddish:

 

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female, less reddish:IMG_7855-2.jpgImage Enlarger

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April 17, 2014
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Just got about 10 eggs from these guys in an egg trap.

Expect I will get more later.

Here is a picture of my "naturalistic" set-up in which they bred

(30 G tank, large egg trap w/ fake plastic plants, box filter with extended lift tube):

 

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April 18, 2014
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Nice fish. Are those actually plastic plants made for aquariums? Or is it your own design? Laugh

April 18, 2014
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They are my own design.

Green plastic cheerleader pompons, cut into quarters and heat glued to the mesh on top of the box.

The plastic is very flexible and floats so they "hang up" and move in the current.

Stands up to bleaching fairly well.

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April 19, 2014
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Very nice-looking! Are these the fish we were discussing a few months ago Bill? I still think this is Devario annandalei as suggested by Andy (I think?)  at the time.

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April 19, 2014
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Very nice-looking! Are these the fish we were discussing a few months ago Bill? I still think this is Devario annandalei as suggested by Andy (I think?)  at the time.

 

I think they are the same fish. I got them from the Wet Spot in Portland. After looking at a picture of annandalei at Pete Cottel's site (http://www.danios.info/fish/an.....dalei.aspx) I can see the similarity, however these guys have a lot of red. The picture there shows none.

 

Not being an expert on Devarios, the things that most attract my attention for trying to figure out what they are include the redness (which I had some doubts about before I got hold of the fish), the general body shape, and the extent that the two yellow horizontal pigmentation lines extend forward toward the head before they break-up into dots and flecks of yellow. The redness is pretty intense in the tail and does not vary like the red on other parts of the body. The Devario annandalei have two of these yellow stripes, but the Devario devario only has one, so the annandalei may well be a better fit. Neither species pictures show the redness. Other Devarios with red (like chrysotaeniatus or laoensis) have redness but lack other features like the yellow lines stopping at about the front of the dorsal and anal fins and have a different shape in the head area.

 

The eggs of these fish are smaller than I expected (I will have to measure them) and are somewhat adhesive.

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April 19, 2014
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Sounds very interesting Andy.

I have never seen many of these fish in person.

 

Sadly, the link you posted did not work for me.

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April 20, 2014
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April 20, 2014
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Hi Bill , my computing skills are quite basic :)  

April 20, 2014
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Andy if you want to link to images on Facebook you should right click the image and select "copy image address". 

April 21, 2014
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Well that does look a lot like the fish I have.

Mine has a darker red, but that could be some lighting or image processing effect.

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April 21, 2014
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We could use a copy of the D. annandalei description methinks...

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April 22, 2014
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We could use a copy of the D. annandalei description methinks…

Here are three references on this I have found:

Chaudhuri, B.L. 1908. Description of a new species of Danio from Lower Burma. Records of the Indian Museum 2(2): 125-126.

Barman, R. P., 1985: On the type specimen of Danio Danio annandalei Chaudhuri, 1908 with a redescription of the species Pisces Cyprinidae. Journal of the Bombay Natural History Society 82.1: 221-224

Kullander, F.F., 2001. Phylogeny and species diversity of the South and Southeast Asian cyprinid genus Danio Hamilton (Teleostei, Cyprinidae). Ph.D. Thesis-Stockholm University, Department of Zoology. p. 1-26. Sweden, Stockholm University. Department of Zoology.

 

I have the last one (An introduction to FF Kullander's thesis), but only pages 7-26. This part does not have any description.

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April 22, 2014
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I have the second one and didn't even realise! Will send it over.

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