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Channa sp. Burmese red rim rainbow
January 12, 2011
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First few pics of Red Rim Rainbows, apparently a new species out of Burma/Myanmar. No other details yet and apologies for mucky glass!

any thoughts?

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January 12, 2011
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Looks like a cross between C. pulchra and C. gachua. /blink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":blink:" border="0" alt="blink.gif" />

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January 13, 2011
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Hi all
these are channa sp red fin,which was discovered in myanmar at the same time
as channa sp fire and ice,pascal antler has managed to breed these
in captivity.they are a sub trop species.
I have a few adults in my collection.
And soon to have a few more once col sends these down for me.
Rob

January 13, 2011
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Hi Rob

Good to see you posting here! Yeah Pascal gave me his opinion of the pics - so it's just another fancy trade name.

Still, it' s a species I have not had before /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

January 13, 2011
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Good to be onboard.
Yeah you hit the nail right on the head,another crazy trade name.
But a cracking find mate.these dont come up in the uk.
Wildwoods had them in limited number and i bought most of them.
And as far as im aware no one else has managed to get them in the uk
so yet another bang on find col.

January 13, 2011
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So, is this different again from the other single red fin that i got you ages ago?

January 13, 2011
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Nice fish Colin. You're leaving the potted plants in with the yellowish fiber stuff?

January 13, 2011
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Hi Rob so the fins get a lot redder once the fish are acclimatised? What's the eventual size?

You must be well off if you can afford to shop at Wildwoods, by the way. /tongue.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" />

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January 13, 2011
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QUOTE (Matt @ Jan 13 2011, 09:53 AM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hi Rob so the fins get a lot redder once the fish are acclimatised? What's the eventual size?

You must be well off if you can afford to shop at Wildwoods, by the way. /tongue.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" />

Is Wildwoods that expensive then? I bought some nandids there a couple years ago; good shop!

January 13, 2011
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I think so, but then I'm a northern pikey...

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January 13, 2011
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...and i'm even more northern.... LOL

No, not the cheapest...

Stefan - no media with the Anubias, just potted bare

January 13, 2011
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QUOTE (Matt @ Jan 13 2011, 09:53 AM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
so the fins get a lot redder once the fish are acclimatised? What's the eventual size?

Yeah, the fins become redder - these Channa were imported instead of Channa spec. Fire & Ice after the Fire&Ice hype began. There are a few people keeping them and I really hope they breed and establish. Fancy trade names are becoming a little annoying but the trick serves its duty: Well established species like Channa spec. Assam are sold over and over to enthusiasts hoping to get something unique... Funny enough in case of the Red Fins: enthusiasts really wanted Fire&Ice and not a new undescribed species. /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" /> (This is how I remember the first imports of Red Fins. I could be wrong - please correct me, if so.)

Last time I saw adults of Red Fins they looked very much like a gachua sized species.

Cheers, Nora

January 13, 2011
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hi all
mat,yeah ive had a few pricey fish orders from wildwoods,expensive shop but the quality is always second to none.
a guy called tom halvorsen used to work at a trop shop near me,so we used to get loads of channa,for good prices aswell,he was selling meg/leopards for £40 to £50 which even now is a dam good price,but the shop dosnt sell fish anymore only reptiles.

col,yeah the single you sent me ages ago isnt a redfin or a fire and ice,in my opinion its a gachua from myanmar,comes from the same area as channa harcourtbutleri and is often sold as harcourtbutleri.i think a few of the german keepers have them and are known as channa harcourtbutleri sp glazers.

nora,yeah thats about right,when the fire and ice craze started the redfins were imported as fire and ice.

alot of people say they are a gachua,but i dont think so,i supplied dr ralph britz with some fin clippings of my first batch of the true channa sp redfins,it seems to closer related to the stewarti complex.
rob

January 13, 2011
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QUOTE (robert @ Jan 13 2011, 07:53 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
... i supplied dr ralph britz with some fin clippings of my first batch of the true channa sp redfins,it seems to closer related to the stewarti complex.
rob

I don't think that is or should be public knowledge...? /blush.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":blush:" border="0" alt="blush.gif" />

January 13, 2011
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ihi stephan
its been discussed several times on the snakeheads uk forum.this isnt new news,lol.
as this is not a newly discovered channa,its been in the trade now nearly two years now.
and i have never been asked to keep any of this to myself!!!

January 13, 2011
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QUOTE (robert @ Jan 13 2011, 08:33 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
ihi stephan
its been discussed several times on the snakeheads uk forum.this isnt new news,lol.
as this is not a newly discovered channa,its been in the trade now nearly two years now.
and i have never been asked to keep any of this to myself!!!

Ah I see /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" /> I didn't know the DNA results were already known publically. To me it seemed such things should always be kept secret until published - hence me post. /blush.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":blush:" border="0" alt="blush.gif" />

January 13, 2011
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i have no idea weather the dna results are complete or not,all i know is what i have been told.
i will keep all future info to myself.incase it upsets anyone,which isnt intended

January 13, 2011
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QUOTE (robert @ Jan 13 2011, 08:46 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
i have no idea weather the dna results are complete or not,all i know is what i have been told.
i will keep all future info to myself.incase it upsets anyone,which isnt intended

Oh no I know you meant well; please know that I meant it in a friendly way. I have some personal experience with being told things (the newly described badid e.g.) and if I would've told what I knew it would've ruined the publication to the point there might not have even been one because I'd have ruined it. Those things are always very sensitive in my experience. /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" /> Sorry for hijacking the thread!!

January 13, 2011
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QUOTE (robert @ Jan 13 2011, 07:53 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
a guy called tom halvorsen used to work at a trop shop near me

I used to work for Tom when he had a shop in Gateshead so know him very well. /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

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January 13, 2011
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QUOTE (Stefan @ Jan 13 2011, 08:52 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
if I would've told what I knew it would've ruined the publication to the point there might not have even been one

That is not correct and sounds slightly paranoid. /ph34r.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":ph34r:" border="0" alt="ph34r.gif" /> Scientists communicate their results before publication to many other scientists on conferences, in seminars and just by chatting. A journal does not reject a manuscript because its results have been passed on orally. That's simply wrong.

Of course there are more aspects to the topic, but in general no scientist should 'force' you to keep knowledge to yourself - if he or she is confident in his or her results.

Cheers, Nora

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