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Choprae Or Choprai?
July 28, 2009
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Which is correct please?

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July 28, 2009
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i believe it is choprae

July 28, 2009
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i always went with ae as well but ive just had a look and they were named after a man - dr b.n. chopra - and therefor should end ai. ('e' endings are for feminine names in latin and 'i' is for masculine names) so i think the name for them should be choprai, think thats why they have been seen with both spellings. dont know why they were originally given the 'e' ending, maybe because it had been so long between description and 'modern discovery' for the aquatics trade that when they were first shipped they were given the wrong spelling which just stuck, either that or Hora who originally named the fish after chopra was taking the p !!

July 28, 2009
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July 28, 2009
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Yeah right Neill that's why I asked as choprai doesn't seem to have been formalised as the correct name...

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July 28, 2009
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nice one -

July 29, 2009
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I think Fang et al use choprai? Will look it up when I get home tonight.

July 29, 2009
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Hmm they refer to it as choprae in the recent phylogenetic paper. *scratches chin*

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July 30, 2009
4:26 pm
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i suppose if it was originally incorrectly named then it cant be changed just because of an error in latin naming can it?

July 30, 2009
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just found this - on fishbase
Accepted scientific name:
Danio choprae Hora, 1928 (accepted name)

Synonyms:
Brachydanio choprai (Hora, 1928) (synonym)

Danio choprai Hora, 1928 (synonym)

Additional data:
The original spelling choprae must be maintained under the Code, Art 31.1.3, and not be emended to choprai (S.Kullander, pers.comm.11/08).

Brachydanio choprai (Hora, 1928) Danio choprai Hora, 1928

this links to - http://www.iczn.org/iczn/index.....article=31

when you read through this though its a bit confusing as it says it shouldnt be changed but a couple of pages on it looks like it should be changed .

in summary id say that it was an original error by Hora, which it looks like he tried to ammend but due to technicalities with nouns, names etc etc in the paper it hasnt been. im going to read it all again and see if i can make out what should be correct or not !!

July 30, 2009
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from what i can make out , the reason it hasnt been changed is to do with the original naming of the fish, even though there was an error which it seems Hora recognised in the same year he names the fish, it cant be changed as it was an error by him (rather than say a print error, which could be rectified) , also in section 30.2.4 when the name is chosen the ending obviously dictates wether the name is to be treated as feminine or masculine , as Hora chose (by mistake it appears) a feminine ending this was accepted as the correct name (as everything else was correct) but the fact that the person (chopra in this case) was male has no further bearing as the name had already been accepted. in essence , Hora used the incorrect ending in the original paper - which was accepted - and therefor couldnt change it just because he had made a mistake. seems a bit tough on poor old chopra but thats the way the classification system is (and when you read the system you realise how tight it is - i though it was just a case of picking a name !) choprae it is then !!

July 31, 2009
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Hey

Rules as above currently causes confusion with Synodontis. Do we have angelicus or angelica? Decorus or Decora?

Regards David

July 31, 2009
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hi david, from having a quick look around it would appear both have been changed back to angelica and decora. from what ive seen they have both been put back to their 'original' spellings which would infer that they had been changed since original names were given - theres just too many people messing with latin names by the look of it. i suppose that in this 'modern' age of magazines and the net its easy for a name to be erroneously changed, which is then taken up 'en masse' and becomes hard to return to its original (as not a lot of people have access to the original material)

July 31, 2009
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Thanks NDC

Regards David

July 31, 2009
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Cool stuff Neill cheers. /thumbs_up.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":thumbsup:" border="0" alt="thumbs_up.gif" />

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