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Chromobotia Macracanthus
February 17, 2010
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Matt
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Time to fix the clown loach profile. /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" /> First thing we need is some more photos - can anyone help?

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February 17, 2010
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i'll have a look Matt, i did take some pics of the ones i had before i let my Daughter have them.
her heater stuck and all fish were boiled after all my work getting them looking decent.lol

mick

February 17, 2010
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QUOTE (Matt @ Feb 17 2010, 05:10 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
Time to fix the clown loach profile. /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" /> First thing we need is some more photos - can anyone help?


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Dr Pez has a circus full. Don't know if you could use them or not.

February 18, 2010
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I have a load Matt, from 1" juveniles upto around 8", a good mix of patterns as well.

I will try and put a couple up later but I am still in Cumbria and most are on my PC.

February 19, 2010
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Just a couple of pics for now:

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Will post more when I have access to main PC again /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

February 19, 2010
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hi Matt
do you need infos too? have some from the german countries, specially about catching and breeding in home countries
cheers charles

February 19, 2010
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Hi Charles you already sent me two articles from Amazonas which I'm trying to translate right now actually! If you have more info it'd be great but the translation takes time.

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February 19, 2010
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Charles/Thomas, what does 'körperbin' mean - is it 'body stripe'?

Thanks for the pics Mark! I like the funky one without stripes!

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February 19, 2010
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I know Matt. infos directly by the author?
"körperbinde" means "body stripe"

February 20, 2010
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Thank for the confirmation Charles! /thumbs_up.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":thumbsup:" border="0" alt="thumbs_up.gif" /> I have a few more do you mind if I post them up?

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February 20, 2010
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go ahead Matt

February 22, 2010
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Ok so:

Artbeschreibungswut - species description something?
Hinunterzuschwimmen - to swim out of?
Laichwanderschaft - breeding migration?
Sekundärbewuchs - secondary forest?
Blättergleichen - no idea.
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February 22, 2010
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Artbeschreibungswut - species description something? wut=rage, fury. here: the uncortrolled description torrent by some scientists. the rage of producing descriptions, out of control
Hinunterzuschwimmen - to swim out of? means to swim down a stream
Laichwanderschaft - breeding migration? yes
Sekundärbewuchs - secondary forest? bewuchs=all that grows on a substrat. here: the original forest is destroyed and replaced by other plants not original to the place
Blättergleichen - no idea. means: similar to leaves. here: looking like leaves
cheers charles

February 22, 2010
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That's brilliant Charles thanks!

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March 6, 2010
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Unless anyone pitches in with additional info/corrections the text and references are finished. We still need more pics though, especially of adult specimens.

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March 27, 2010
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Not brilliant Matt but they may help.

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I'll try and upload some better ones when I'm on the other laptop.

March 28, 2010
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Hi Chris, thanks for the pics and welcome back! *waves* /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

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March 30, 2010
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Great to be back.. /biggrin.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" /> And some more.. These two were a male and female that died during either an attempted spawning or a hierarchy battle. The female (lower fish) expelled a lot of yellowish green eggs during the process and her belly was twice the size than in the photo. I missed the entire thing due to work. My partner just assumed it was a dominance battle but with added chasing and splashing. They even managed to move a hefty piece of bogwood with a huge Java fern attached two foot further down the tank. Both fish were around 5" SL. I also lost another male and female during the "event", the smaller female not being so egg laden.

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And on the sexing front ; I sex mine by comparing the Pelvic fin base, Males usually have a defined, thicker joined base with the pelvic fins being closer together on the body. Females are less defined, not as thick and are separated ever so slightly and further apart. In my opinion the vent is also more enlarged in females than males. This is just ny opinion and by no means gospel. So far it has played out that each fish i have sexed in this manner has been what I have thought it was so it is yet to fail.

March 30, 2010
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hi...

you didnt happen to cut them open to double check did you? It's pretty gruesome for some people but if a fish i have dies i generally cut them open to check for worms and to see if my guess about their sex was right

cheers

March 30, 2010
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I didn't as it happens. In hindsight I really should have and I've kicked myself since then. I'd been in work and was informed that they had died. I came home to find their corpses plus a few other fish dead and the rest gasping, ammonia off the scale and trying to get it sorted plus look after sick partner and kids as well I just binned them after taking those photos. The unfertilised eggs were off white if I recall. The males were leaking milky off white/yellowish fluid from their vent. I was gutted by the mass loss, not just the Clowns but the other fish I lost as well.
From what my Other half described it clued in with other spawning accounts and also my own observations on males chasing and driving the females. A lot of nudging, biting and aggression not just to their own species but other fish as well, especially from my females. They usually chase the Scissortail Rasbora that dwell with them and completely finished off a small group of Rasbora vulcanus. They moved all the plants, real and plastic and even tried to move pieces of wood around.

Just looked in the log book for water parameters that week. On the weekend the results were pH 6.8, GH 8, KH 8, Nitrate 40ppm, nitrite 0.0, Ammonia 0.0. The frenzy happened two days after this. With being on nights I hadn't done a water change for 2 weeks.

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