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Ctenopoma Acutirostre
June 19, 2008
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Thank you for this profile on the Leopard Bushfish (Ctenopoma acutirostre). There are so many differing opinions as to whether or not it is an aggressive species. I am not sure if it would make a good companion for Discus. I purchased three of these from Petsmart to be companions for my Parrot Cichlids, and was told that they were "semi aggressive". Other websites list them as aggressive predators. Mine seem to be shy. Currently they are in a 37gal. tank with some barbs of various kinds and doing fine although they seem shy. (They are not in the 50 with the parrots as planned as they seemed intimidated at feeding time by the parrots, even though there was no aggression on either part). I am setting up another 50gallon for the Leopard Bushfish, and am wondering if you think Discus and large tetras or the barbs would be good tank mates? thank you

PS. Mine eat tetramin flakes,plus I add frozen meaty foods, broccoli, and live seaweeds from our local beach (Pacific NW). Can you recommend how to purchase live bloodworms or brine shrimp? the local fish stores do not seem to carry it any more.

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June 19, 2008
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in my experience they are aggressive but only a particular problem to things which fit in their large mouths, otherwise ive found them relatively retiring, i would keep them in a tank with some reasonable size congo tetras or similar medium sized barbs , something quick and a decent size and provide lots of cover for them, think they are ambush predators in the wild so make sure they have somewhere to feel safe

June 19, 2008
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Cool fish. /cool.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="B)" border="0" alt="cool.gif" /> I agree wth Neill, and I actually reckon the combo could work with Discus if there are plenty of hiding places and the Ctenopoma are getting enough food. Mine were never aggressive, in fact quite the opposite. They were outcompeted by Geophagus at meal times and were generally quite shy. I ended up moving them to a different tank after having to drop food in for them individually for several months. I´d advise the anonymous reader (lol) to start with Discus that are around the same size as the Ctenopoma just to ensure they´re not intimidated by them. The high protein diet that young Discus need should suit both species, too. /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

He/she doesn´t say what species of barb they have but anything smaller than a fully-grown tiger barb is going to end up on the menu at some point. Ctenopoma have one of those protrusible mouths that can engulf quite large prey. Like Neill says, they´re an ambush predator so while not particularly combative will eat small fish should the opportunity arise.

Here´s a pic of a subadult. /happy.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="^_^" border="0" alt="happy.gif" />

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June 20, 2008
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i had some that were fully grown and were actually larger than i thought they got - over 6 inch , at that size they certainly looked more aggressive than the young ones who i think look quite cute, the larger ones have a mean look in their eyes but were still a bit shy. they were being kept with large angels at the time and there didnt seem to be any problem but they were in a decent size tank, tbh it was the angels i was more concerned about than the ctenopoma being a problem, i dont think there would be a problem with discus - they arent as 'soft' as people think and are like most other cichlids when they get to a decent size but due to the fact that the ctenopoma dont swin up and down the tank (and neither do discus particularly) i would go with a species that does just to make the tank more intersting

June 20, 2008
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Hi Matt, thank you for the reply and for the article! I am the new member aka anonymous reader..LOL...who emailed you, and recieved a welcome reply from Duncan.
Anyhow, I really like these Leopard Bush fish. To answer your question, the barbs are three types:
Rosy, Tiger, and Checker. I am worried about the Checker now and it seems rightly so! I bought two of the LBFish and one faded away, while the other one grew and is now 3" and almost big enough to "hoover up" the Checker Barbs at night. I think the first one was either not willing to compete for food (which is plentiful enough), or , after reading your article, perhaps was not willing to eat anything but live food. The big one eats both Tetramin, frozen worms, and cut up salad shrimp. I really like these odd, big eyed, beautiful guys, so I went back and purchased two more. The big one is not bullying the little ones thank God. (I didnt find your article until After buying two more). the two new ones are eating (frozen blood worms at least).

so I am trying to decide whether to A.try Discus in my unoccupied 55 and include the L.Bush Fish and some Congo tetras etc. OR B. Set up the 45 and design the inhabitants around the Bush Fish.
All opinions welcome
PS. please dont hate me because of Parrot Cichlids...I know they are a hotbed topic for opinions...but once you're fond of them, you've accidentally picked sides!

June 21, 2008
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Hi Reva (is that your name or a cyber-alias by the way?) Thanks for the kind comments but Neill (NDC) has also made some useful posts in this topic. /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" /> I think the combo of Discus, Ctenopoma and Congo tetras could work quite well, especially as you say the proposed tank is well-planted. The other option of an African-themed tank also sounds tempting though! /laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="Laugh" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" /> I love Ctenopoma too. They´re quite ponderous but seem to have real personality...

As for the article, thanks again. /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" /> That´s actually one of the ones that I reckon needs a revamp but glad you enjoyed it!

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June 21, 2008
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What would you suggest in the intriguing African themed tank?
I already have a Feather Finned Squeaker (Syno.eurupterus) that could move from the Rainbow Tank...
Reva is my real name....my cyber alias is usually Selkie..or worse yet, my other Real persona, Suijetsu (the name of my iaito)
why is it death or cake? /ph34r.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":ph34r:" border="0" alt="ph34r.gif" />

June 21, 2008
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id go with an african theme - always prefer that personally. how about a polypterus with maybe steatocranus (blockhead cichlids) spiny eels from the genus mastacembalus or macrognathus, and a shoal of either congo tetras or alestes with the ctenopoma.

June 21, 2008
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To continue the African theme, plant with anubias, Bacopa monnieri, bolbitis or crinums.

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June 21, 2008
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Haha, it´s a quote from an old Eddie Izzard routine. /tongue.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" /> Read the suggestions above. You could definitely have your Synodontis in there if you fancy by the way. I like Alestopetersius species too which haven´t been mentioned yet (see my avatar /blush.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":blush:" border="0" alt="blush.gif" />) but they can be tricky to get hold of. There are some nice African barbs as well although again they´re not so commonly available. Your kribs could also work in this tank unless you intend on breeding them. Where are you from originally and what´s an "iaito"? /wacko.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":wacko:" border="0" alt="wacko.gif" />

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June 21, 2008
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Ok you guys....I see why this club is called SERIOUSLY Fish!!! This is very fun..I usually see friends and family get a glazed look in the eyes when I start speaking picean. Now I have Plant advice !! Yeah! How cool is that? Thank you Eyrie. I have many Anubia types in the Rainbow tank (the only thing they dont eat is anubia and java fern). In the Parrot Cichlid eclectic tank I have a few cryptocorns, but everything else you mentioned has been eaten (hence the desire for an amazon environment)

Like old Hammond in Jurassic Park, I may drive the purists crazy, mixing species and continents in eclectic delight. And I pedal as fast as I can committing real names to memory, while using popular names....

can you steer me to the parts of the knowledge base where I might find:
alestes? is that short for alestopetersius?

Thank you Neill for all the thoughts regarding size and compatibility. I havent seen the "mean Look" yet..LOL /angry.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":angry:" border="0" alt="angry.gif" /> but I have seen the ninja look on their faces /ph34r.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":ph34r:" border="0" alt="ph34r.gif" /> I have had many eels in the past and enjoy them except for having to find worms for them all the time (which is hard in winter).

my iaito, Suijetsu, is my sword. I am Shodan Ichi in Kenjustsu/Jojutsu. An iaito is like a katana that is not sharpened, which I use in practice.

June 21, 2008
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QUOTE(Reva @ Jun 21 2008, 05:24 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ok you guys....I see why this club is called SERIOUSLY Fish!!! This is very fun..I usually see friends and family get a glazed look in the eyes when I start speaking picean.


We're all geeks here. Especially Karlos /wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" />

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can you steer me to the parts of the knowledge base where I might find:
alestes? is that short for alestopetersius?


Here's the profile you're after http://www.seriouslyfish.com/p.....file.php?g...alis&id=150

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June 21, 2008
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Good grief, we have an official forum ninja! /ohmy.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":o" border="0" alt="ohmy.gif" /> /tongue.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" /> Alestes and Alestopetersius are two different but closely related genera. /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

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June 21, 2008
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ahaaaaaaaaaaa....Yellow Tailed Congo Tetra /rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" /> Why didnt you just say so in the first place? /blush.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":blush:" border="0" alt="blush.gif" />

I refuse to be a geek...
Please dont say "resistance is futile"

Ok, I got the Checkers out of danger...Neill is right....the Ctenopomas ARE making faces..Took the Rosies out too. Now the only tank mates are large Tiger barbs, Kribs, Botia Striata, & Chinese AE (still Sushi size unfortunately, but I am not tearing up the tank to catch him). Both other barb types in the eclectic Parrot Cichlid 55 as part of the dither crowd...here's hoping the Pictus thugs are sufficiently full of frozen worms.
/unsure.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":unsure:" border="0" alt="unsure.gif" />

Off to purchase bacopa and crinums...
and Yes , I can cut off your head and spit down your neck....but I dont want to, because I know I can /ph34r.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":ph34r:" border="0" alt="ph34r.gif" />

June 21, 2008
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Resistance is futile Reva...and I´m scared of you... /laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="Laugh" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" />

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June 22, 2008
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QUOTE(Matt @ Jun 21 2008, 11:35 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
Resistance is futile Reva...and I´m scared of you... /laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="Laugh" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" />

Only if you're Picard....not if you're Troy (she knows they're coming), or Data ...... /blink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":blink:" border="0" alt="blink.gif" />

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