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Depressed Pond-goldfish In A Small Tank Need Help
February 4, 2009
9:43 am
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thelizzious
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Last year autumn my sister lost nearly all of her koi and goldfish when her pond equipement failed to work, it was a long hot and wet "Indian summer" overhere and she couldn't get the pond-filtering to work anymore. Most of her fish died of lack of oxygen, blue algea and other fish were eaten by some herons. We managed to save some small ones and putted them in a small tank. They have survived till this moment, but my sister could not cope with them, her family and work, as she is a divorced woman with three sons. So I took over her tank. It's a very old aquarium, 70x50x45 cm. It had no hood but my father made one from wood for her with a small tl light in it. It now stands on the floor of my living-room, underneath the table of my 120 l. and 60 l. tanks. It's very over-crowded, with one young koi, 4 mature and two young Rhyukins and 4 calico comet-tail goldies. The water is cold (not heated like my own tank with goldies and pleco's) and they just "hang" quietly in the water with not much to do. Sometimes the koi makes a dash through the tank and the comets also would love to chase each other. It's so sad to see them so depressed. It's inhumane. Also the water is always clouded because of the loads of dirt and debris in the gravel. I do water chances everyday and also clean the filter everyday. The fish are too shy to make any large adjustments like changing the gravel in order to further clean the tank. As soon as the temperature outside is warm enough they will get a place into one of the larger ponds of a senior neighbour, but with freezing temps the fish have to stay put here for the timebeing. Are there any suggestions or tips you can help me help these very neglected fish? The only luxury in this tank is that small tl light and a filtering from Easyflow for up to 80 till 90 liters and some plants I donated from one of my other tanks.

February 4, 2009
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Coldwater fish are often very inactive in low temperatures Liz although it does sound like their living conditions are inadequate so I guess a combination of poor water conditions and possibly a lack of oxygen aren't helping either. Difficult to know what to suggest really as you're already doing daily water changes. What's your feeding regime and what are you feeding them?

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February 4, 2009
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They're in a real appaling way, Matt. I have to admit my sister has neglected them...I can't even find the propper words. But that's because she didn't know how to handle them in a tank, she always had them in her pond and there they were very happy. She kept feeding them standard pond-fish-grain. They haven't touched it since they arrived here last Sunday. They don't act like the other fish I havem you know, with their noses in de bottom all the time? They just hang in the water like puppets, completely apathetic. I am trying to get them on the more heavier Rhyukin grains I always use for my own Rhyukins, but they won't eat. I'll try some lettuce or cooked pea's tomorrow. But to be honest, I don't see them surviving this through the coldest time of the year untill spring for them to be re-located at the pond of this nice elderly neighbour who would love to have them, but, like me, he has no room for them, yet. It's really breaking my heart and I am sure, their little hearts too. /unsure.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":unsure:" border="0" alt="unsure.gif" />

February 6, 2009
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Hey

There are 2 problem with moving fish from pond to indoor aquarium.

1. Goldish and koi build immune systems to the 'nasties' that can hang around in ponds. Once indoors the change to cleaner water etc. makes a 'mess' of their immunities, in particular if the level of care they receive hightens, that can lead to illness and loss of appetite.

2. Fish coming from pond to aquaria not only have to cope with a temperature change but also the hightened level of household noise and vibrations. One or both can cause them stress as levels of n. and v. tend to be greater in a house/fishkeeping area.

Please also remember that fish in a pond never feed in low temperatures so perhaps your 'new charges' are just not ready in 'body clock' to take food?

Hope all goes well.

Regards David

February 6, 2009
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QUOTE (David Marshall @ Feb 6 2009, 06:32 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hey

There are 2 problem with moving fish from pond to indoor aquarium.

1. Goldish and koi build immune systems to the 'nasties' that can hang around in ponds. Once indoors the change to cleaner water etc. makes a 'mess' of their immunities, in particular if the level of care they receive hightens, that can lead to illness and loss of appetite.

2. Fish coming from pond to aquaria not only have to cope with a temperature change but also the hightened level of household noise and vibrations. One or both can cause them stress as levels of n. and v. tend to be greater in a house/fishkeeping area.

Please also remember that fish in a pond never feed in low temperatures so perhaps your 'new charges' are just not ready in 'body clock' to take food?

Hope all goes well.

Regards David

Hold on, am I reading this correctly, should I stop trying to make the water the fish lived in for a fw months as clean and clear as the Rhyukins (I always trip over the spelling of that word, o if it's wrong, lease correct me) in my 120 l. tank and the tropics in my 60 l. tank? Destroying their immunity does make sense to me. THe water still smells "pond-like" very much.
My housekeeping is a very quiet one as I am al(l)one and the only disturbing noises would be the mechanic ones of the pc, the tv and the tanks (filterings, falling water)
It's been six days since they arrived here and they are finally eating , they also started digging in the gravel, which they never did before, they are getting more active and they don't jump behind the bushes anymore when I come to sit with them. (I have this nad habit of talking to my fish)
They will be relocated when the hardness of winter has gone into the pond again of a neighbour.
David, thanks so much for this information, it really opened my eyes. /wub.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":wub:" border="0" alt="wub.gif" />

February 7, 2009
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Hey

Just lovely to know that the fish have settled and started to adjust to their new environment. No make the water sweet, but in small stages so as to let the immune systems of your fish adjust problem free. Yes you can kill a fish with kindness.

Talking to fish? Going back a few years we had a lovely old lady as a neighbour. This neighbour told Sue, my sister, that she always knew when all was well in my fish house as she could hear me singing a song about Wales (which turned out to be The Alarm classic 'A New South Wales') to my fish. I just never realised any human could hear me.

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February 7, 2009
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Sounds like they are waking up and warming up /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" /> But if I were you I would take them to the LFS and trade them for credit. That way, in the nice weather, someone with a pond will buy them, and you can select something smaller that you would like in exchange. Fish stores usually have a big tank that they can use to help in emergencies. Even if they dont give you credit because of condition, they will still take the problem and stress off of you and the fish. good job taking them out of that situation!

February 7, 2009
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Thanks David and you too Reva. I just love the way the goldies are able to communicate with us, humanbeings. They are so clever and that whilst we are taking them out of their natural habitats all the time. Though I know that most of them never even saw that habitat because they were bred in tanks. I will take a survey into which pet-stores would take adult goldies, but they are very sceptic about taking someones fish. With reason, because one never knows what diseases may lay dorment. Besides of that, it would mean another move and another adjustment for already very traumatized fish. Isn't it wiser to keep them here for, lets say 2 or 3 months? It's just a question from which I hope to learn more.
Btw, I just found out that there are two females and 7 adult males and the hunt to propagate is on. In the meantime my corys are doing the same.

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