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Eel-loaches
December 8, 2013
7:41 pm
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So Matt, if you had a bit more time, you have seen this: Great shots of the eel-loaches.....

 

Pangio anguillaris behind a golden P. doriae

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Pangio doriae "gold", I think we have to much P. doriae and I would suggest the name P. aurata If there is any revision in future... Wink

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This is to be continued, hopefully with good and useful pics!

 

Cheers,

Thomas

December 8, 2013
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With a bit of luck I could take some photos of both types of P. doriae  together.

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And the dark type only

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December 9, 2013
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Hi Thomas and all!

 

And sorry Thomas for intruding into your topic.

 

Here's some photos of P. doriae and P. cf. anguillaris

 

P. doriae male (i think this darker form is true P. doriae because of the cheek scales)

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White form of the P. doriae? (female). This specimen was not this white when i got it.

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P. cf. anguillaris female and P. doriae male

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P. cf. anguillaris females (gravid female on top)

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P. cf. anguillaris male

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P. cf. anguillaris from Singapore wholesaler, but think these originate from Thailand?

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Bigger photos here

 

These two species behavior is quite different, eg P. cf. anguillaris is much more social and day active.

 

I think some P. oblonga forms also behave different from other. Have you noticed this with different forms of same looking eel-loaches?

 

Hope you can get some sense of my english :)

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December 9, 2013
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Hi Tuomo,

These two species behavior is quite different, eg P. cf. anguillaris is much more social and day active.

Are there any reason why you choose the name P. cf. anguillaris? For me, these loaches are P. anguillaris, without cf. My experience with this both loaches is similar to yours. The behaviour of P. anguillaris isn't compare to eg. P. oblonga but they are lesser shy than the doriae-types.

I've here a group of another form of the anguillaris, it's an unspotted and maybe undescribed "variant". They are very much shyer than the "real" anguillaris, really compareable with the doriae.
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And sorry Thomas for intruding into your topic.

 

 This should be an open thread for the different Eel-loaches, so thanks for adding your post! :)

December 10, 2013
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Are there any reason why you choose the name P. cf. anguillaris? For me, these loaches are P. anguillaris, without cf.

Hi, i can't name any clear differences in appearance, but i'm fairly sure my specimens are not from Borneo or Sumatra. I remember in recent scientific literature it's mentioned that P. anguillaris is probably restricted only to those areas, and other specimens are yet to be new species. I'm not aware of any photos of (live or fresh) P. anguillaris from Borneo. I think also in scientific literature it's all from SEA mainland? cf. may be unnecessary, but i like to use it if not sure ;)

 

Does anybody have a thought why these are imported as P. piperata?

 

I've here a group of another form of the anguillaris, it's an unspotted and maybe undescribed "variant".

They are very nice! I'm pretty sure these will be described as new sometime in the future. Here's a good photo and data of specimen that's very close to your's (maybe you have come up to this already)

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December 10, 2013
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Ah, ok. Here is one from Sanggau:

http://www.kolumbus.fi/vuorela.....page_2.htm

 

Does anybody have a thought why these are imported as P. piperata?

Because they are grey..?

The patterns of the caudal are different from mine. At least I can't see the small spots and dots in the "Sangau caudale". Only the middle line through the fin

http://sandkauer.de/Bilder/Schwanzflosse_ang.jpg

So I might have another species of P. anguillaris.

 

That's why I called it Pangio doriae "gold"! Laugh

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December 10, 2013
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Thomas said
Ah, ok. Here is one from Sanggau:

http://www.kolumbus.fi/vuorela.....page_2.htm

 Oh, totally forgot Antti's pages. I figured they are not even online anymore. Have to read with time.

That's why I called it Pangio doriae "gold"! Laugh

Nice!

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