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F5 In Trouble
January 26, 2010
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/blink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":blink:" border="0" alt="blink.gif" /> /sad.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad.gif" /> Somethings wrong with my F5, or perhaps it is the 120 l. tank. I can't tell.
Perhaps it is just too many fish in a small tank. My goldies are just "hanging" in the water, right next under the surface. I have to refresh the water almost daily now and clean the filters every week. This has been going on since a week o a little more. Did a watertest and that was okay. No wounds or anything else on the fish. They don't look like themselves anymore, not playful or responding.
I do know that 5 goldies from 12 to 14 cm in a 120 l. tank is way too much, but what can I do? Give them to someone who has a pond inside? I am very very sad right now.

January 26, 2010
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QUOTE (thelizzious @ Jan 26 2010, 05:12 AM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
/blink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":blink:" border="0" alt="blink.gif" /> /sad.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad.gif" /> Somethings wrong with my F5, or perhaps it is the 120 l. tank. I can't tell.
Perhaps it is just too many fish in a small tank. My goldies are just "hanging" in the water, right next under the surface. I have to refresh the water almost daily now and clean the filters every week. This has been going on since a week o a little more. Did a watertest and that was okay. No wounds or anything else on the fish. They don't look like themselves anymore, not playful or responding.
I do know that 5 goldies from 12 to 14 cm in a 120 l. tank is way too much, but what can I do? Give them to someone who has a pond inside? I am very very sad right now.

Sorry Lizzie! Difficult to say what's going on?? It's possible that the growing fish just put the bioload over the limit for your tank. Nothing else new/changed? Is there any fluctuatuon in the parameters of your water supply?Do you have any surface agitation in the tank? If not try to make some, sounds like they're looking for oxygen.
You might have to cut it down to 2 or 3 in that tank to be manageable?
Best of luck!

January 26, 2010
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Goldfish are turd machines so maybe adding a second filter might improve things Liz.

Cake or death?
January 26, 2010
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Hi Plaamoo, thx for replying. The only thing that did change is that I took out the pleco (hypostomus plecostmus) because is was constantly sucking on the skin or the eyes of my goldies. They like the falling water so I always have a filter that lets the filtered water fall onto the surface. That there are too many fish in there is no doubt true and I know I have to cut the number down. But where to go with the other goldies in the meanwhile? It is such a bad timing at the moment because I am sure they would rather take the deepfreezer option than the slow death in a half frozen pond. No Dutch petshop wants goldies of this size. There also is no financial room to buy a larger tank and if I did the problem would only grow with it. I do belief that it is a lack of oxygen though. Thanks for your input though.

January 26, 2010
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QUOTE (Matt @ Jan 26 2010, 09:37 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
Goldfish are turd machines so maybe adding a second filter might improve things Liz.


I know (now), Matt. It's incredible! They can stirr there living-water into a real soup in less then a second. A second filter you say? Not possible because there already are two in. In would be the third one. They keep on destroying them, like the internal one, that comes with Juwel rek.120, it was broken in six or seven weeks. I now use two Aqua Flow 200 Easy Clean Filters and I have the cartridges just rinsed and squeesed out to keep the biocultur intact, every 3 or 4 days right now and every day they need a waterrefreshing of at least 50 liters, from the 120 that the tank holds. It is that I love them like crazy, but I would not recommend anyone to keep goldies in warmer water, because they grow like....err..whales? And you cannot have a nice greenery with them either. I am close to dispair, because with two heart attacks within two years, it is sheer un do able to keep them healthy and happy. /wacko.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":wacko:" border="0" alt="wacko.gif" />

January 26, 2010
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That's interesting Lizzie. The only fish that rival goldfish in the waste dept. are big, common plecos. I would have thought that removing it would make an improvement. I wonder if it was consuming/processing some of that goldfish waste??
I wonder if you could set up a sump/paludarium type filter with plenty of plants to absorb the waste?
Are there no fish clubs or craigslist type sale sites there to help you find a home for some of your fish?

January 30, 2010
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Hi Plaamoo. No, not in my area. But that's alright, because I caved in and this afternoon all of my goldies, including the mouthsucker were successfully transported to friends in Germany. They will survive the winter there in a couple of large tanks and finally they will be adopted into the pond of this dear lady who came to (my) their rescue. She amazingly had the same mix up with her pleco. She bought one believing it would only grow 2 inches, but 3 years later the monster (/wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" /> ) was about 4 inches and is still growing. We believe they were mistakenly thrown in with smaller species (can't recall any names right now), which shows us how careless the petshops around my area really are.
So my 120 l. tank is awfully empty, quiet and dark, but in the 60 l. tank my 4 cory's are having a good time. I might consider rebuilding the 120 l. tank, all from scratch, and only keep corys there. I am on my way to the knowledge base right now.

January 31, 2010
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QUOTE (thelizzious @ Jan 30 2010, 10:37 AM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hi Plaamoo. No, not in my area. But that's alright, because I caved in and this afternoon all of my goldies, including the mouthsucker were successfully transported to friends in Germany. They will survive the winter there in a couple of large tanks and finally they will be adopted into the pond of this dear lady who came to (my) their rescue. She amazingly had the same mix up with her pleco. She bought one believing it would only grow 2 inches, but 3 years later the monster (/wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" /> ) was about 4 inches and is still growing. We believe they were mistakenly thrown in with smaller species (can't recall any names right now), which shows us how careless the petshops around my area really are.
So my 120 l. tank is awfully empty, quiet and dark, but in the 60 l. tank my 4 cory's are having a good time. I might consider rebuilding the 120 l. tank, all from scratch, and only keep corys there. I am on my way to the knowledge base right now.

That's good news Lizzi, though I'm sure you'll miss your babies! Sounds like a great solution really. There are a lot easier fish to keep that's for sure. Lots of fun stuff!! Keep the stock light and minimize your maintanence! Have fun !!

January 31, 2010
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Thank so much. I am already missing my gold-babies like crazy, but it is for the best as they were starting to swim in their own waste. I know that even if I had the money for still a larger tank, the problem would only grow with them. This has been a very valuable lesson for which I am very grateful.

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