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Fin Chewed Off?
April 29, 2008
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Hi there,

I just noticed that a) my pregnant Platies aren't pregnant anymore, but that's the least of my worries.

One had been in hiding since yesterday evening and I only saw her about 10 minutes ago.
As you can see in the pictures (hopefully) her caudal fin is 'chewed' off.
She is very panicky and fled all the other fish, so I tokk her and placed her in the breeding trap where she is still very panicky, but I think better off, as it's easy to pick on an ill fish.

Please tell me if there is anything I can do for her. Would she prefer darkness now? And also, any ideas what or who caused the loss of the fin?
Could she have swam into the heater? It's obviousl;y warmer now, or is it another fish?

Thanks and sorry, I wish I was more successful with my fish /sad.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad.gif" />

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April 29, 2008
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Good grief that looks nasty! Given the fish you have the only culprits I can think of are the rams, but I've never seen a ram inflict a bite like that. Perhaps the platy got stuck behind the filter or something? Keep a lookout for fungus developing. Provided you can avoid that I'd say the fin ought to grow back.

Ps - would you mind resizing your pics a bit and then reposting them? Thanks. /wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" />

Cake or death?
April 29, 2008
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The fin will grow back, but you can help by keeping the water tip-top with frequent changes and adding Melafix. Not sure about the cause, but I'd suspect fin-nipping by one of the other inhabitants.

PS: Don't apologise - everyone has problems from time to time, the important thing is to recognise and fix them.

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April 29, 2008
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I will get melafix asap. Thanks for the suggestions.
Do you think I should keep her in the breeding trap till she settles down a bit?

April 29, 2008
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Yes, I would do for the next couple of days at least. Throw a bit of plant material or something in there to give the fish some cover. That should help to calm it down.

Eyrie's right by the way, never apologise for or be embarassed about asking questions on the forum. We've all made some horrendous mistakes keeping fish. Luckily we're starting to see a few experienced fishkeepers on here who can help you (and each other) out. The good thing is you ARE asking Sofia. If you really want your fish to thrive (and it seems you do) they will eventually and you'll be amazed you ever had so many problems. /wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" />

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April 29, 2008
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this is probably fin rot caused by a nasty nip or other damage.
melafix is also my suggestion to. it's great stuff to have a round, get the biggest bottle you can afford as it comes in really useful.
i would do as said and leave her in the reap for several days to give the tail a chance to start healing. fingers crossed it will grow back.
i echo the thoughts of the other guys, don't be embarrassed about asking. with over 30 years of fish keeping i still have to ask, and often.

April 29, 2008
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It only appeared over night. And teh Ram has been very aggressive. I don't know what I'll do with him, but he has been chasing all the fish around. I guess Matt is right and the Platy must have got stuck somewhere.

I might go to get Melafix tomorrow now, as I am more worried.

The fish has calmed down in it's breeding trap, so phew

April 30, 2008
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it's strange behavior for a ram in a community tank, personally I've not come across it. are you sure they haven't spawned.i know they look like 2 males but you never know.

April 30, 2008
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Well, I don't know. How would i know if they had done?

He never behaved like that before, but has been doing for about a week now.

I also can't find the fry from the two Platies and assume they might not have made it, although michael thinks he saw a tiny fish swim past yesterday morning

May 1, 2008
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all i can think of is a territorial thing, but I've just read about his demise, so unfortunately problem solved.

May 9, 2008
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Ok, the Ram is in solidary confinement, so he is not the naughty fish after all.

Just saw a Guppy that has/had a chewed off fin as well. He seemed in a bad state and after watching him for some time he did indeed die /sad.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad.gif" />

I am currently treating the tank with MelaFix and feed to a minimum.
In the tank are guppies, platies, a neon, sparkling gouramis and harlequins. The ram is in a breeding trap, but I am now considering releasing him back into the main tank.

I have turned the temperature down to 80F for now as that is what i used to keep them at happily before increasing the temperature for the whitespot treatment.

The Guppy seemed fine earlier (3 hours ago) and definitely had his fin then.

EDIT: The platy's fin is growing back nicely btw /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

May 9, 2008
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I'm curious at to whether or not this is actually another fish's doing. I don't see any fishes in your tank which could even be capable of biting a Platy's entire caudal fin off..

May 9, 2008
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You think i ahve a fungus or so? It is going so fast. Within a few hours. I have also a few little annoying snails, but doubt they'd be to blame

May 9, 2008
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Can you take a picture of the filter you're using please Sofia?

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May 9, 2008
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I tried getting pictures, but I am rubbish and the glass is reflecting. Here are however the Tetra official images
http://uk.tetra.de/tetra/go/F9.....3E2D7E96C0...F5B/?lang_id=20

May 9, 2008
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Hmm, ok never used one of those. Has anyone else got/used one? The only other option for your fish losing their fins that I can think of is if they're getting dragged inbetween those inlet slats cut into the filter body...Looking at the platy again the fin does appear "ripped" rather than bitten off. Is the guppy as bad as that?

Ps - your fella doesn't have any strange "tendencies" does he? /tongue.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" />

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May 9, 2008
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Fella isn't home yet, so would be interesting /wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" />

The Guppy fin was looking similar to the Platies, but it didn't have the long hanging bit. Erm...looked similar to how a cat would probably scratch a bit of the tail off...? Am I making sense?
(If not, blame uni)

I could take a picture of the fin. Actually, I will. Picture will be up in 5

May 9, 2008
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Right, here is the picture now. I splashed a bit of water onto the fin for it to open again. He doesn't show any signs of disease. Just the fin
It's the pretty one to the right in my Avatar /sad.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad.gif" />

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May 9, 2008
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Ye-eah. It doesn't look like a bite from any of the species you have to me...more like the missing parts have been "stripped" away by something. Let's wait for others' opinions on this, but one more question for now. Does the filter seem to be producing a lot of water movement?

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May 9, 2008
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Not really, that's why I have the airstone. The fish like to be UNDER the filter and the Harlequins spend 90% of their time swimming up and down beside it (not the side with the slots).

The filter suction isn't that great. However, one of the dead neons was sucked to it. i don'rt know whether that had happened pre death or not. He was easily removed from the filter though without switching it off. Hence my opinion of the suction not being too great.

I agree about more opinions, because I will replace the filter if it causes fish to tear off fins and/or death.

thanks matt (as always /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" /> )

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