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Firemouth And Characin
November 29, 2009
3:35 am
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Many young people here live a very difficult life. They don't have fathers, they live with their mothers who more often than not live with their mothers. This situation produces very strong resilient teenagers, hard working and quite often very talented if given the right opportunities and help.
My 13 year old fisherman has just returned from a 3 day adventure in the jungle with a 15 year old friend who normally lives in a small hamlet in the jungle.
He remembered to do some fishing in some of the jungle streams and brought back some interesting fish. One of these I believe to be the Firemouth Cichlid, Thorichthys.meeki.
After interogation with maps it appears that these streams drain to the NW away from Lake Peten. So far the Firemouth has not been found in the Lake.

He also brought one of the common Characins found throughout Central and South America, Astyanax.fasciatus. These fish are the most common and prolific in the Lake but generally without any colour. This jungle specimen is beautifully coloured.

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November 29, 2009
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Fantastic colours on both John. I don't think we get to see wild firemouths in the European hobby any more so that's a real treat. Just one specimen of each?

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November 29, 2009
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Lovely fish John /thumbs_up.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":thumbsup:" border="0" alt="thumbs_up.gif" />

November 29, 2009
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QUOTE (Matt @ Nov 29 2009, 03:23 AM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
Fantastic colours on both John. I don't think we get to see wild firemouths in the European hobby any more so that's a real treat. Just one specimen of each?


Yes, unfortunately only one of each. I was amazed by this, considering the distance he walked carrying a cut off 3 litre coke bottle.
As you know everybody here eats Tortillas as the staple diet (except myself). Apparently the fish like them also, this was the bait.

November 29, 2009
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This is one of the other cichlids that arrived with the Firemouth. I have been trying to figure out what it is. Any ideas?

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November 29, 2009
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I have now discovered that this is Amphilophus.robertsoni. I had forgotten about this genus.

December 1, 2009
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No aggression between them?

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December 1, 2009
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what type of snail is that in the pic?

December 1, 2009
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What stunning fish! The firemouth is so different from the grey things we usually get shops. John, you're always tantalizing us with gorgeous wild fish /ohmy.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":o" border="0" alt="ohmy.gif" />

December 1, 2009
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QUOTE (Matt @ Dec 1 2009, 03:22 AM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
No aggression between them?

They are still very nervous. I have two robertsoni and only one firemouth so no aggression. They are in my snail tank, the snails visable are the Jute snails. I will have to add some hiding places for them as they are trying to hide behind the big Apples.

We are thinking about mounting an expedition to Paso Caballos which is about 35 miles to the NW. It is a small Chechki Maya community where the Rio Pedro Martir starts to become navigable. This is part of the drainage of the Rio Usumacinta, a major river which borders the Peten and Mexico. The cichlid species found here are different from Lake Peten. Our main object is to try to settle the controversy about Vieja melanurus and synspila. The experts cannot agree on the taxonic differences. If we can capture some "synspila" we can compare them with the many examples of melanurus I have caught in the Lake.
A 35 mile trip does not sound like much but on a dirt road in the jungle it is slow. Also we will be leaving the basic civilisation that we have and entering a World controlled by the drug cartels where angels(and the Police) fear to tread. However a gringo with a bunch of kids on a fishing trip should have no problem if I can find a driver willing to go.
So far our amateur efforts have had photos of four wild caught species of cichlids published in a major database. Generally fresh wild caught and aquarium fish appear only to be cousins.

December 5, 2009
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Sounds fantastic John; where have you had your photos featured? If you do go it'd be great if you could also record any non-cichlid species you find and get some habitat images too. /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

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QUOTE (Matt @ Dec 5 2009, 05:08 AM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sounds fantastic John; where have you had your photos featured? If you do go it'd be great if you could also record any non-cichlid species you find and get some habitat images too. /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />


http://www.cichlidae.com/
A dozen of my photos of Lake Peten appear in the habitat section of the Cichlid Room Companion and also several photos in the species database. Unfortunately only available to subscribers.
I have also been asked by Juan Artigas for habitat photos from the Paso Caballos area. I will be hosting his scuba diving team at Easter to explore the Lake.
We have a couple of minor problems at the moment and we won't be able to go until the New Year. Christmas has caused an increase in robberies so non essential travel is not a good idea at the moment and no driver is available. Also my boys have decimated the local worm population. I wanted to start a worm farm but they did not "seed" the leaf mould supplies in my garden. My fault, I forgot to check.

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