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Fish Id Help
January 5, 2010
6:17 pm
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Hi!

So I have a fish in my tank that I believe is a garra sp., tho i am not sure and do not know of the exact species.
The fish is mostly grey colored, but it's belly is lighter colored (white - ish). it also has a stripe along its back - but not like a SAE, the stripe is more silvery and "edgy". the stripe is kind of shiny.
The fins are not colored - they are almost transparent.
it has a sucking mouth. The fish is often hanging on the glass with its mouth. it has two barbels (very short). also the lower "lip" when you look at it closely when attached to the glass is red - but that red is only visible if you look at the fish from the front and in the mouth. The red color is not visible if the fish is not sucked on the glass.

It eats everything - from shrimp pellets, flakes, brine shrimps, daphnia, tubifex, red worms, algae waffers...
It never ate any of the plants I have in my tank (swords, anubia, duckweed, cryptocoryinas, and a lot of unknown plants /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" /> )

This is a very outgoing fish (at least this particular specimen) - it is out and about all day, sucking the glass. i think it also eats algae off the glass.
When I put my hand in the tank (during WC) it comes and sucks on my hand. It is not afraid at all.
it is also not aggressive, it minds its own business.

It seems to like the current.

I bought the fish 1 yr ago. it was mixed with CAEs but it definetely does not look like a CAE at all. So i bought it for the price of a CAE. there were a few more fish like that but i didn't buy them cause didn't know how it will behave. And when I went back there were no more fish like that left... /sad.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad.gif" />
Because it was mixed with CAEs it probably comes from the region they come from?

I absolutly love this fish, because of it great personality - it's name is GLU /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" /> (cause he is always glued to the glass) and would really like to find out what species he belongs too.

Oh yeah, the T I am keepin the fish at is 20 - 21C.

So, here are the photos, but they were taken with my phone so not the best quality, but sadly I do not have a digi cam...

its size in comparison to grown up SAEs (Ok, so their true ID as to which SAE they are is also a mystery)

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side view

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on the glass:

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so does anyone know what species is Glu?

Thanks

January 5, 2010
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I would say it is almost certainly a Garra, most likely Garra rufa

January 5, 2010
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just what i was thinking /ph34r.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":ph34r:" border="0" alt="ph34r.gif" />

January 6, 2010
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The Crossocheilus looks to be C. atrilmes or C. langei but it's not easy to tell from the pics. Have a look-see at the notes section here for ways to tell them apart.

If CAE refers to Gyrinocheilus aymonieri (not actually from China) then they most probably weren't wild caught so that wouldn't help in guessing the country of origin.

Cake or death?
January 6, 2010
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Hi!

well, I kinda of tought it was garra rufa too, but than my fish (and all the others I saw at the store) didn't have that thingy on the head. And also the photos I have seen of garra rufa never showany lateral line on their body...and also on the photos their fins look kind of red - brown not clear...So I don't know...it just doesn't feel right, but than I am no expert...

About the CAEs - because of the lack ob black blotch on the underside I woul think they are C atrilmes. But three of them (i have 4) have yellowish fins, tho you cannot tell that from the photos I posted...so is that another variety or just color morph, diet...?

January 6, 2010
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The thing to take into consideration with most Garra is that their colours and patterns can change with their mood, I have seen Garra rufa with a quite pronounced lateral stripe before. I have 4 Garra spilota and most days their spots are quite visible but occasionally one or all of them have no spots showing at all.

January 6, 2010
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QUOTE (glu @ Jan 6 2010, 10:08 AM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
About the CAEs - because of the lack ob black blotch on the underside I woul think they are C atrilmes. But three of them (i have 4) have yellowish fins, tho you cannot tell that from the photos I posted...so is that another variety or just color morph, diet...?

Might be C. sp. 'citripinnis'. Think I have a pic somewhere I'll try and dig it out later.

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January 6, 2010
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Here you go; in the second picture you can just make out the difference between this one and C. atrilmes - it has a pair of maxillary barbels. Pics are by Josef Niederle who has a webpage about the subject here.

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January 6, 2010
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thanks, guys /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

Ok, so Glu is garra rufa then...So I know where to look if I want to buy him/her some companions /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

Well, yes my SAEs have yellow fins like that, or even a bit more yellow. I am not sure about the head, will have a closer look when i come home...
One thing I noticed with SAEs is that the one who does not have yellow fins (they are all together) has a bit longer, pointy caudal fins. They are otherwise the same (at least to me /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" /> ) and they all swimm together. But I have noticed that during WC only one of the SAEs becomes real pale - greyish, and the stripe is not as pronounced, the others remain normal. Tho I couldn't say if the pale fish is the one without yellow fins cause they all more or less hide behind the plants during WC.

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