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How Long Before Adding The Fish?
March 15, 2008
5:28 pm
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Hello; just joined this message board.

I've set up a new 120L tank for some fancy goldfish, having witnessed verbal bullying over tank sizes (on other sites) and goldfish per gallon etc. It's currently empty.

My main question is, how long after starting the filter for the first time do you leave the tank, before putting the first fish in? With my first tank I left it for 10 days, but the tutorial on VideoJug suggests 2-3 days.

Also, quite a bit of foam appeared on the water surface after a while. This appeared to build up when the hood was closed. What could be causing the foam, and would it be harmful?

Either way, three separate tests with testing sticks showed that the water had 20ppm of nitrate, and zero nitrite.

March 15, 2008
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Welcome to the forums, Headdy /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

There was recently a discussion in the Tropical Beginners section on practically the same subject.

http://www.seriouslyfish.com/f.....rums/index....ic=312&st=0

If you have a look at the first few posts of that thread, you will see the information I gave Sofia about "cycling" a tank and how it can be done.

If there's anything you don't understand or want questions about after that, hoy them in here and we'll do our best to help you out /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

March 16, 2008
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QUOTE(dunc @ Mar 15 2008, 05:18 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
Welcome to the forums, Headdy /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

There was recently a discussion in the Tropical Beginners section on practically the same subject.

http://www.seriouslyfish.com/f.....rums/index....ic=312&st=0

If you have a look at the first few posts of that thread, you will see the information I gave Sofia about "cycling" a tank and how it can be done.

If there's anything you don't understand or want questions about after that, hoy them in here and we'll do our best to help you out /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

Thanks for the pointer dunc, I inadvertently got clued up about "fishless cycling" after looking at that thread.

I'm still trying to figure out what is causing the foam. My guess is the filter, as that's the only difference between the old and new tanks.

March 16, 2008
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What filter is in the new tank?

If the outflow is pointing at the surface of the water and is quite fervent, you'll get "foam" at the top. Shouldn't be massive amounts though unless the filter is really turning the water over.

March 16, 2008
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Hi Headdy. Unless you're cycling the tank in some way, then it's difficult to say how long you should leave it before adding fish. Theoretically you could put them straight in, but I'd always recommend cycling first. Can you get a picture of the "foam"?

Oh and Dunc, 10 extra points for use of the word "fervent" in a goldfish thread! /laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="Laugh" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" />

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March 16, 2008
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/cool.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="B)" border="0" alt="cool.gif" /> /laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="Laugh" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" />

March 16, 2008
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QUOTE(Matt @ Mar 16 2008, 11:19 AM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
Can you get a picture of the "foam"?

No problem:

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You probably can't see it very well, but the filter is an internal one that also works as an air pump.

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March 16, 2008
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Good grief /blink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":blink:" border="0" alt="blink.gif" /> That looks like you've overdosed with some product or other, or the tank has traces of some kind of cleaning product in it somewhere. That or the filter is turned onto "fervent" setting! /laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="Laugh" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" /> If it's the latter I'd suggest turning it down a bit if possible as you said you're keeping fancy goldfish which are never the best swimmers.

Also just to clarify my earlier point; I said you could add fish now "theoretically". I'm not advocating this at all, and highly recommend you cycle the tank before adding fish. /wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" />

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March 16, 2008
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QUOTE(Matt @ Mar 16 2008, 04:52 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
That or the filter is turned onto "fervent" setting! /laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="Laugh" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" />


Right lol I'm not even speaking to you any more Fordy /sad.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad.gif" />

March 16, 2008
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.....but darling.....I...... /sad.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad.gif" />

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March 16, 2008
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The filter does seem to be quite powerful. I'll have to figure out a way of decreasing the power, as even on its lowest setting it makes foam.

Anyhow, I'm going with the household ammonia method of cycling.

March 16, 2008
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The best approach imo, Headdy /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" /> Let us know how you get on.

March 16, 2008
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Joy. It was the filter making all that foam; I just disconnected the little tube that draws air from outside the tank, and the foam eventually went away.

Now back to getting high off ammonia fumes. /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

March 16, 2008
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Fervent filters, shocking /laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="Laugh" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" />

March 16, 2008
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How much ammonia do you need to get high Headdy? /tongue.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" />

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March 16, 2008
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QUOTE(Matt @ Mar 16 2008, 07:08 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
How much ammonia do you need to get high Headdy? /tongue.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" />

Um... erm... can't remember.
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March 16, 2008
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Damn I was going to try it myself /sad.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad.gif" />

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March 17, 2008
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Just a little update.

I've added two lots of 150 drops of ammonia to the tank so far. Nitrate reads 40ppm, while nitrite reads 0.5ppm. The pH, however, has gone through the roof. I'm not sure if this is normal, but I'm going to get a more accurate testing kit today.

March 17, 2008
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Which way? Alkaline, I presume...

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March 17, 2008
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QUOTE(Matt @ Mar 17 2008, 06:27 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
Which way? Alkaline, I presume...

Ah, yes. It read at least pH 9.

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