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Lake Malawi Setup
April 21, 2010
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Hi guys! Due to the death of a friend, I have been gone a while, but it's good to be back!

After being dormant , not just here online, but just maintaining my 150gal(US)Australian Rainbow tank and my 55gal(US) Amazon tank , I have decided that a good way to become enthusiastic about something again is to start something I have not tried before.

I have a spare 55 gallon with a Rena canister filter for up to 75gal filtration, plus I have a few extras to help with the filter, like a hot mag and an undergravel. I have been wanting to try Lake Malawi Cichlids for years, but I am the kind of person that gets all upset if bullies ruin the "zen" of the tank.
I have been reading and think I might try
Labidochromis caeruleus (Electric Yellow Lab)
Aulonocara walteri (Blue Faced Peacock)
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Pseudotropheus acei (Yellow Tailed Acei)

Have any of you kept them?
Do they mix well with each other?
How many should I start with?
What substrate is best?
What about Anubia plants with them?
Thanks for any advice!

April 21, 2010
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This info might help.
http://www.cichlid-forum.com/a.....ruleus.php
Habitat: Labidochromis caeruleus is found at pure rocky coasts at depths ranging between 10 and 50 meters. In the wild it is a very rare cichlid normally found inside caves and crevices where it searches for food on the undersides of rocks. During an hour's dive one may not see more than two individuals. When it occurs in shallow water, it is found feeding from the ceiling of a cave. It has also been found among the weed beds in shallow water (Lewis, 1982).
Feeding: The food consists of small crustaceans, insects, and their larvae. The teeth of Labidochromis caeruleus are long and pointed and act like pincers twisting prey out of tiny cracks and pockets in the rocky surface. Prey is located visually and the fish therefore needs to search in sediment-free environments as on sediment-covered rocks prey is virtually invisible. Labidochromis caeruleus belongs to the insectivorous section of the genus; most other Labidochromis feed on algae.

Aulonocara sp. 'walteri' is endemic to Likoma and Chizumulu Island.
Habitat: Lake Malawi pH of the water is about 8.3. The temperature of the water in Lake Malawi fluctuates with the seasons. In the dry season it can be as low as 20° C and in sheltered bays in the rainy season as high as 30° C. At Chizumulu Aulonocara sp. 'walteri' dwells in caves of the sediment-free rocky habitat but at Likoma it is also found in the intermediate habitat (e.g. at Membe Point). In the latter habitat its preferred depth ranges from 10 to 20 meters but in the rocky habitat it is can be observed at a depth of just a few meters.
Feeding: Food is collected in the characteristic way seen in all Aulonocara. It consists of small invertebrates which live in the sand.
This guy is in are own profiles.

April 21, 2010
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Pseudotropheus sp. 'acei'
This one has not been described. It is one of Ad Konings fish. However it now apparently is a popular fish in the trade.
http://www.cichlid-forum.com/p.....hp?id=1460

April 22, 2010
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thanks John. I have been reading online about them, but was just wondering what personal experiences folks have had with them.
The ph here is perfect (and island in the Pacific NW) for them, so tank maintenance would be easy, as well as finding live food

April 22, 2010
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http://www.cichlidae.com/forum.....iewforum.p...4fa8aedbaa3f3f9

Lake Malawi Cichlids is a vast subject with so many genera and species. Many are undescribed although they are popular in the Aquarium trade. They are certainly beautiful fish.

Your best bet to find personal experiences is to join the above forum.

April 23, 2010
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thank you John, will try it out

April 24, 2010
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Hey

In Aquarium Gazette Issue 9 we ran two excellent articles, by a father and son, on starting with Malawi cichlids. Details are available from the website (see The Lounge posting for Issue 14 for details).

Regards David

April 24, 2010
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http://malawicichlids.com/

If anybody else is interested in Lake Malawi Cichlids the above source lists 535 know species, both described and undescribed. Each species has photos and/or drawings and habitat information etc.

As I previously mention this is a vast subject and this site should send your head pleasantly spinning.

The Lake is 30 miles wide and therefore more like an inland sea. Discovered by David Livingstone, of course.

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April 26, 2010
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wow, very interesting!! thank you both. John that site is really fun! puzzles and everything /biggrin.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" />
Nice to see you again David! My parrot cichlids are loving the big tank (568 liters). I am pretty sure that they are both males, but they are friendly to each other. I have two babies (parrots) in another smaller tank, and they are turning out to be females. What would happen if I introduce the females? would the big males ignore or kill them or fight each other?

April 26, 2010
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Hola Reva if you're woriied about aggression why not try a mix of more placed species like Copadichromis and the Aulonocara you already mentioned? /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

Cake or death?
April 27, 2010
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Hey Reva

THANK YOU

If you introduce the two ladies, very slowly, I cannot see that the two larger Parrots doing them any harm.

Regards David

April 27, 2010
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I have never encountered the Parrot Cichlid during my meanderings in the Cichlid World. As curiosity had killed the cat I had to investigate. I soon discovered the reason. A manufactured fish, sometimes called the Frankenstein Fish, hybridized apparently from some of the more colourful Central American Cichlids by our Asian friends. It was said that some purists took positive action against pet stores selling them. I had visions of people marching up and down with placards stating “Ban the Frankenstein Fish”
Oh well, our fishy world is always interesting with something new learnt as every corner is turned.
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April 27, 2010
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John, it's almost come to that at times. /laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="Laugh" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" />

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April 27, 2010
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Hola Matt /wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" /> actually I want to set up a purist tank (LOL...dont wince) for the Malawi cichlids..complete with sand, rock caves constructed with aquarium safe glue and mossy wood and giant val reeds

David how do I do it very slowly??

April 27, 2010
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Hey John

I could not resist posting this photograph of Asian Red Parrot Cichlids and friends.

Not really Frankenstein Fish but very delightful hybrid cichlids.

You will not be surprised to hear that I am writing an article on these fish for Aquarium Gazette.

Hey Reva

I think you will like this photograph.

When introducing your females place them, one at a time, into a glass container so that the males can see them. Watch the reaction of the males and if this looks like one of joy then release the female(s) to join them. If the males show anger then try again another day. In all honesty I cannot see, knowing Parrots, any problem.

Regards David

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April 28, 2010
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Very pretty pic David. The bright orange against the blue background and green and blue of the plants and cats is quite nice.

Hey Matt, what fish is that as your new avatar? I like it's torpedo shape /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

David, I am always very saddened by the attitude of some folks regarding the parrot cichlids. My original pair were being bullied almost to no fins in a LFS, and I bought them to get them out of there. Then I found that due to the really sweet personality and pretty colors, that they have become one of my favorite fish. Mine are tame and will eat out of my fingers. When my husband was setting up his new, huge tv on our wall, they were in the corner of the big tank, watching. My big male is very raspberry orange, and his mouth is all the way closed. he isnt a freak at all. I cant understand the fascination with Oscars (who are drab and messy as adults), when parrots are so pretty and easy.

Question for you again, what size is big enough to introduce the girls? Right now the boys are the size of a good naval orange and the girls a the size of a large strawberry. The only aggression I have seen in my large male parrot is toward my largest red new guinea rainbow, who starts the trouble over food. they have had a mouth to mouth tug of war on occasion....

April 29, 2010
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Hey Reva

Although I don't forsee any real problems I think you should let the 'girls' do a little bit more growing on their own before moving them to join the males.

Yes I agree with all the things you have to say about Parrots. In a tank opposite their own mine can see the non-stop activity of a large shoal of Tiger barbs. The Parrots take a position, at the front of their tank, and try to follow the movements of these barbs. The Parrots, thus, move their heads from side-to-side like a human spectator at a tennis match.
Most of the little disputes between my Parrots are over food.

Regards David

April 29, 2010
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It's Aphanius sureyanus Reva. /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

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April 29, 2010
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Hey Reva

And I thought Matt had posted a reply in defence of Oscars?

Regards David

April 30, 2010
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In Defense Of Oscars (sounds like a good book....in which the Parrots can be the news reporters..LOL)

My two only seem to be naughty over which jar cave they get. It's the Rainbows which are greedy...(and the Syno eu catfish)

So are plecos a no-no for Malawi tanks? because of ph or ???

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