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Lepidocephalichthys annandalei
January 30, 2010
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hi
some weeks ago I saw "lepidocephalichthys sp "peacock" on the tropicwater.eu stocklist, asked for more infos everywhere, because id was not possible. and together with s. speciosa: voilà some specimen. at first sight at least two different species and due to Thomas sublime knowledge I had suddenly three species in a little tank: acanthocobitis sp (young botia or urophtalma?), schistura savona and
lepidocephalichthys annandalei Chaudhuri 1912

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January 31, 2010
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Nice Charles! The fish in the top 3 pics/bottom 2pics look quite different except for the spot on the tail. Is this M/F? Do they change with their mood?
I also have schistura savona, 2 perpetually gravid females left. I'd like to find a male for them but haven't seen them since I got these almost 2 years ago.

January 31, 2010
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The caudal-fin patterning is fantastic! /cool.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="B)" border="0" alt="cool.gif" /> Thomas is this how you identified them?

Charles do you think Acanthocobitis urophthalmus is in the trade?

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January 31, 2010
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Charles do you think Acanthocobitis urophthalmus is in the trade?
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hi Matt
the specimen is too small to decide, so Thomas suggested "young" a. botia or urophtalmus. I hadn't an idea anyway.
cheers charles

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January 31, 2010
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Hi Charles I don't know if these all came in the same shipment but L. annandalei and S. savona are native to northern India which is within the range of A. botia. A. urophthalmus is a bit of a mystery to me which is why we don't have a profile at the moment - I would LOVE to see a copy of Pethiyagoda's book on Sri Lankan fishes but have been unable to find a copy in the libraries here. /sad.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad.gif" />

I asked about the caudal patterning of the L annandalei as it seems to be used as a defining character for species in this genus. See what you think of the following, taken from Arunkumar, L. 2000 Loaches of the genus Lepidocephalicthys from Manipur, with description of a new species. Journal of Fish Biology v. 57 (5): 1093-1104.

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January 31, 2010
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The caudal-fin patterning is fantastic! /cool.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="B)" border="0" alt="cool.gif" /> Thomas is this how you identified them?


Yes, I remembered a thread on petfrd.com with this loaches. After that I've also found the loach in Menons Fauna of India Book.

Thomas

January 31, 2010
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they all came in the same shippment, but this is only one argument as they mix all that looks like. the name "peacock" is well done but I'm shure they hadn't the slightest idea about the right species. on the other hand they were able to give the right indication of lepidocephalichthys. strange. with acanthocobitis: I tend to botia, seems closer to the adult markings. we'll see.

whenever I cross that book ...
the markings: looks coherent. I tried a better picture and worked on it

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January 31, 2010
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Hi Thomas, thanks for the info. :-) Charles yeah it seems to be the only species with two caudal spots right?

Edit - plus the two 'v' shapes - couldn't see the second (outer) one before but now yes.

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Lovely fish as always Charles /thumbs_up.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":thumbsup:" border="0" alt="thumbs_up.gif" />

February 2, 2010
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Hi Charles ,a few years ago I had some of the L.annandalei , and mine looked different to the fish in your pic ! mine looked exactly the same as the pic in Tekriwal and Rao's Ornamental Aquarium Fish Of India on page 94 your fish appears to be a little shorter in the body ,and the face and caudal markings appear different ?

B t w your fish is absolutely gorgeous /wub.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":wub:" border="0" alt="wub.gif" />

February 2, 2010
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hi andy
I don't know that book - yet. I'll try to figure out.
mine are small, about 3.5-4 cm, but I have no idea if they could change that much. do you have pictures of yours? and infos of course?

February 2, 2010
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I'll try to scan the page Andy is referring to now. /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

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February 2, 2010
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Hi Charles sadly no pics ,it was a long time ago !

February 3, 2010
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Sorry technical issue! Here it is.

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February 3, 2010
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Now it's your turn Charles, let them grow and show us how they change their appearance. /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

February 3, 2010
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Hi Matt, thanks for the help !

My fish looked exactly like the one in the pic ,I suppose the burning question has to be ,is the one in the pic Annandalei ? I say this because there are one or two identification errors in this book !

Charles would you agree that the fish in the pic is different to your fishes ?

Too me the fish in pic looks longer and has different head markings ?

The Peacock tag would suit your fish as the caudal of your fish does resemble a Peacocks feather /wub.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":wub:" border="0" alt="wub.gif" /> , whereas the one in the book doesn't i m o .

February 3, 2010
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thanks Matt
yes Andy I agree. "my" annandalei are much more likely annandalei and correspond with the pictures on petfrd.com. but your's would be a different species.
just one more question: your specimen had the same colour? two populations of the same species ...?
for the markings another picture

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February 3, 2010
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I've no idea how reliable a factor it is but to me the caudal patterning in the Tekriwal and Rao fish looks closer to berdmorei or guntea according to the key above however the rest of it doesn't resemble either of those right? /wacko.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":wacko:" border="0" alt="wacko.gif" />

Andy how big were yours when you got them?

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February 4, 2010
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Hi Matt , not too big 5 cms tops !

I'd agree that the fish I had were quite different to Guntea ,probably more Thermalis like in appearance ,and not as flexible as some of the larger Leps !

I'm pretty sure it was from India ,as would be the fish in the book !

How many did you get of your fish Charles ?

February 4, 2010
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hi Andy
three I think. they hide in the depth of the tank in the lowest range near the bottom.

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