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Megalechis Thoracata V Littorale
September 12, 2008
11:59 pm
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Richy
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I have a pair (not breeding) Littorale in a 4ft tank and my freinds have about 7 thoracata in an 8ft tank.
They're fine and very freindly but my male Littorale seems aggresive and attacks me when i hold frozen foods in the tank.
Has anyone experienced agressiveness in Megalchis species before? Males?
Do Littorale tend to me more aggressive than Thoracata?
I know Thoracata don't seem to mix with Littorale unless I just have a rogue male /sad.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad.gif" /> My freind had problems which is how I have them both "littorale"

September 13, 2008
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Up until recently I had a pair of M. thoracata in my 7ft, I still have the male and he is always first up when I hold bloodworm in the tank and he makes sure he gets his share before the emperor loaches get in, I wouldn't say its aggression just happy feeding /wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" />

September 13, 2008
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Richy is scared of the fishy /tongue.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" />

September 13, 2008
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Richy, do you not think it's trying to break bits of the block with his pectorals,
if you've bred thorocata you'll know what vicious is mate, mine once the bubble nest was formed would virtually leap out of the water and try to get me with his pectorals, but what a great parent he was so i forgave him.
my favourite are the pectoralle it's a sweet little fish and gentle when spawning.

mick

September 13, 2008
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MD, no it's not happy feeding as it's not even trying to get the food.

Malti, Shut up! I'm not scared but yes it makes you jump lol

Mike, nah, it's making NO attempt at all to get the food. You'd think he was sitting in a catapult and as soon as my hand it in he's whacked me. Hit me a couple of times when i didnt have any food.
When it was in my freinds tank it was darting about and juming up and hitting itself on the hood. Honestly, it's flippin mental
I've seen it shoot from 2ft away and whack me and make a quick dart back for another run up /angry.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":angry:" border="0" alt="angry.gif" />
I can't even hand feed my BGK now without getting hit /sad.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad.gif" />
I'm gonna get rid of them, let someone else have them!
FREE to a good home if anyone wants them!!!

September 13, 2008
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Sounds like you have a proper nutter there Richy /laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="Laugh" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" />

I have to admit I have never personally heard of aggression like that from these fish /huh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":huh:" border="0" alt="huh.gif" />

September 13, 2008
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it sounds like you've got a right nutter mate.
ae its pectoral first rays a different colour bud, as besides being a nutter it might just be an oversexed male cos every thing you said about him sounds like a male defending nest or eggs.?
i'm the same as Mark, i've never heard of this before.

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September 13, 2008
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QUOTE (Richy @ Sep 13 2008, 10:38 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
Malti, Shut up! I'm not scared but yes it makes you jump lol

FREE to a good home if anyone wants them!!!

I'd take them....oops sorry to far away (thats a small payback for the bns /tongue.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" />)

September 14, 2008
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i've had both types and have to say i found them to be nothing but peaceful. never saw any signs of aggression from any of them. i think he just takes after is owner. /laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="Laugh" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" />

September 14, 2008
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QUOTE (keith565 @ Sep 14 2008, 09:20 AM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
i've had both types and have to say i found them to be nothing but peaceful. never saw any signs of aggression from any of them. i think he just takes after is owner. /laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="Laugh" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" />


Congratulations, for your cheek you have just won a pair of hoplosternum littorale /laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="Laugh" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" /> /laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="Laugh" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" /> /tongue.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" />

September 14, 2008
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Hi Richy,

We have been keeping and breeding hoplo type catfish for about nearly 20 years now.

We nearly have all the hoplo type catfish.

List of hoplos
Callichthys callichthys
Hoplosternum littorale
Hoplosternum punctatum
Lepthoplosternum pectorale
Megalechis picta
Megalechis thoracata

and also
Dianema urostriatum

We have breed them all apart from the Hoplosternum punctatum and the Dianema urostriatum. They are a future project.

Are you definitely sure its a Littorale. Do you have any pictures please? Or can you describe the tail shape please?

It sounds like your male Littorale is wanting to breed, have you tried putting a lid or something that will float in the tank so he can make a bubble nest?

Vicky. xx

September 14, 2008
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Hi Vicky, thanks for the reply /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />
Yes I'm sure they're Littorale but here's a couple of pics taken back in June for you to check /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" /> Tail has a slight V shape.
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It has been mentioned to me that it may be breeding intentions but i'm not in a position to breed them, house the young.
The other problem is, the tank is this fella's so it would be pretty unfruitful. He's over 12" long now, my little baby /wub.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":wub:" border="0" alt="wub.gif" />

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September 14, 2008
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I've only kept L. pectorale and Dianema longibarbis but both species were good as gold for me. Seeing the bigger Hoplosternum sp. go nuts at feeding time always put me off them for some reason. /rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" />

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September 14, 2008
8:23 pm
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QUOTE (Richy @ Sep 14 2008, 02:38 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hi Vicky, thanks for the reply /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />
Yes I'm sure they're Littorale but here's a couple of pics taken back in June for you to check /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" /> Tail has a slight V shape.
MALE
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PAIR (untried at breeding)
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It has been mentioned to me that it may be breeding intentions but i'm not in a position to breed them, house the young.
The other problem is, the tank is this fella's so it would be pretty unfruitful. He's over 12" long now, my little baby /wub.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":wub:" border="0" alt="wub.gif" />

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That looks like quiet a character! I love the beard. If it's not breeding that brings on this action, could it be something else like a smell or another vibration that ticks him off? Maybe a stupid question, I know, but my goldies know exactly who is feeding them. Just a thought though. /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

September 15, 2008
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I've been given a slap on the hand a few times by male Hoplos of various spp., Megalechis have always been the worst, really takes you by surprise when you are innocently offering them some tasty bloodworm or something only to get mugged!

June 15, 2015
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Since this thread got resurrected:

What was it about the tail being V-shaped above? Is this another way to sex them? (My group seems 1m/7f and I suspect some of the "females" are suppressed males)

June 18, 2015
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Think that forked caudal-fin is a character associated with species remaining in the genus Hoplosternum rather than being indicative of gender (?). Megalechis spp. appear to have a more truncate caudal-fin, for example.

P.S. which Lepomis sp. do you have Mike?

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