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Mick, How Critical Is Hardness?
June 29, 2008
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I was wondering if Fish Sensei Mick would enlighten me about water hardness and it's effect on barbs. Most books say that water quality is not critical to the more common barbs...yes I am talking about the head standing tiger barbs again /rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" /> My water is very clear, 78*F , no detectable ammonia, no nitrites, ph6.8, but , brace yourself, 16*H. Could this be their problem?
The botia, leopard bush fish, pleco, and kribs all happy as can be. Barbs are also pale. Are they afraid of the bush fish? Still pondering /huh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":huh:" border="0" alt="huh.gif" />

June 29, 2008
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it is a bit high as is your temp but being in the US i suppose it's hard to lower it, if you could lower the hardness to about 8-10 you might see a difference.
i don't think the ctenopoma would give the barbs a fright but the head standing could also be they're wary of it.
whats the botia? is it a clown or a yoyo.
if it's poss to lower the temp try to get it to around the 72F mark.

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June 29, 2008
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QUOTE (mickthefish @ Jun 29 2008, 10:11 AM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
whats the botia? is it a clown or a yoyo?

Neither...it is a school of four botia striata...
it is a 37gal (US) tall tank with bogwood/java fern, several decorations that provide caves. other tank mates : 2 kribs, 1 teenie gyrinocheilus aymoneiri, 1 teenie pleco, 3 leopard bush fish , two of which are no bigger than a good sized cardinal tetra, but the original guy is about the size of a Congo Tetra

Thank you for the tip about the temperature. Should I move the botia to a different tank? I havent noticed them being particularly naughty

June 29, 2008
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no Reva they're fine, iv'e gota shoal of them myself they're one of my favourites.
all the fish sound fine together but if you can reduce the hardness abit you should see results.

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June 30, 2008
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QUOTE (mickthefish @ Jun 29 2008, 10:48 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
no Reva they're fine, iv'e gota shoal of them myself they're one of my favourites.
all the fish sound fine together but if you can reduce the hardness abit you should see results.

mick

Thanks Mick, will go purchase some water softener pillow and bottled water tomorrow.

July 4, 2008
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Reva, has the hardness started dropping now, and how are the barbs acting now if it's dropped?.

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July 6, 2008
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QUOTE (mickthefish @ Jul 4 2008, 07:59 AM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
Reva, has the hardness started dropping now, and how are the barbs acting now if it's dropped?.

mick


Hi Mick, the hardness is dropping..will measure again tomorrow..too tired tonight after major holiday here....
I lost one barb yesterday, and noticed another one looked chewed up on his side. So I took all the striata out and put them in the rainbow tank with the clown botia and angelicus botia. Everyone on rainbow tank acting normal, and the barbs have colored up better, but are still doing some head standing. I think the striata were a bad little gang /sad.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad.gif" /> needing a tougher neighborhood. /ph34r.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":ph34r:" border="0" alt="ph34r.gif" />

July 6, 2008
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QUOTE (Reva @ Jul 6 2008, 07:15 AM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
Everyone on rainbow tank acting normal, and the barbs have colored up better, but are still doing some head standing. I think the striata were a bad little gang /sad.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad.gif" /> needing a tougher neighborhood. /ph34r.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":ph34r:" border="0" alt="ph34r.gif" />

Oh, I do hope that the barbs get better as time progresses. Good luck

July 6, 2008
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that could of been why they lacked colour, but normally striata are docile little fish?.
glad the hardness is coming down for you and sorry for the barb, i don't like losing fish either.

mick

July 6, 2008
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thanks Sophia /rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" />

Mick the hardness is 6* , Ph 7.0, Ammonia 0 Nitrite 0
Lost another barb this morning, but he was the one that had been picked on by the Rosy Barbs originally. Nobody in the Rainbow tank was bothered by the Striata, who are focused on the Angelicus botias (close to same size) and trying to figure out a hierarchy. The barbs are acting better, although a couple of them are still head standing. they are feeding well, and the Kribs and Leopard Bush Fish all acting normal. The teenie gyrinocheilus is acting like he is much relieved of the striata, so what's your best guess? It's a mystery! /wacko.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":wacko:" border="0" alt="wacko.gif" />

July 7, 2008
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Reva, what's an "angelicus botia" hun? B. kubotai?

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July 7, 2008
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QUOTE (Matt @ Jul 7 2008, 10:14 AM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
Reva, what's an "angelicus botia" hun? B. kubotai?

Angelicus Botia as far as i know is

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July 7, 2008
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Yes Matt, Malti is right. it is B.kubotai /ph34r.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":ph34r:" border="0" alt="ph34r.gif" /> oops! /blush.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":blush:" border="0" alt="blush.gif" /> I slipped into scientific names again! must be because you called me hun /wub.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":wub:" border="0" alt="wub.gif" /> *facepalm* /tongue.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" /> (I just love that)

but am I a hun as in Attilla or a hun as in sticky sweet? hmmmmmm? /rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" />

would Yasuhikotakia sidthimunki do the snail eating trick? they're little /rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" />
oops...did it again...poor Richy will be in the corner all alone at this rate..*sigh*

I also have some Yasuhikotakia modesta /blink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":blink:" border="0" alt="blink.gif" /> and they are not as naughty as they are cracked up to be, but, I wouldnt Trust Them With Guppies (or Barbs)

July 7, 2008
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QUOTE (Reva @ Jul 7 2008, 10:02 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yes Matt, Malti is right. it is B.kubotai /ph34r.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":ph34r:" border="0" alt="ph34r.gif" /> oops! /blush.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":blush:" border="0" alt="blush.gif" /> I slipped into scientific names again! must be because you called me hun /wub.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":wub:" border="0" alt="wub.gif" /> *facepalm* /tongue.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" /> (I just love that)

but am I a hun as in Attilla or a hun as in sticky sweet? hmmmmmm? /rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" />

would Yasuhikotakia sidthimunki do the snail eating trick? they're little /rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" />
oops...did it again...poor Richy will be in the corner all alone at this rate..*sigh*

I also have some Yasuhikotakia modesta /blink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":blink:" border="0" alt="blink.gif" /> and they are not as naughty as they are cracked up to be, but, I wouldnt Trust Them With Guppies (or Barbs)

welcome /tongue.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" />

with the sword of yours I'd say you're Attila's sis /tongue.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" />

July 10, 2008
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QUOTE (Malti @ Jul 7 2008, 10:01 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
welcome /tongue.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" />

with the sword of yours I'd say you're Attila's sis /tongue.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" />

thanks sis....I had to lead weapons class yesterday, so I guess I was fierce /rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" />
but other days I make manfood for the hubby, including apple pie and then cuddle my kitties /wub.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":wub:" border="0" alt="wub.gif" /> Keep em confused girl, that's what I say! /huh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":huh:" border="0" alt="huh.gif" /> /laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="Laugh" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" />

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QUOTE (Reva @ Jul 10 2008, 08:11 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
thanks sis....I had to lead weapons class yesterday, so I guess I was fierce /rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" />
but other days I make manfood for the hubby, including apple pie and then cuddle my kitties /wub.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":wub:" border="0" alt="wub.gif" /> Keep em confused girl, that's what I say! /huh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":huh:" border="0" alt="huh.gif" /> /laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="Laugh" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" />

sis? u sure are confusing me girl...cause my family jewels say I'm not a woman /tongue.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" />

July 10, 2008
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Debatable.. but keep it on topic /tongue.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" />

July 11, 2008
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QUOTE (dunc @ Jul 10 2008, 10:43 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
Debatable.. but keep it on topic /tongue.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" />


Sorry Malti...when you use a beautiful , warm , island as a sign in name, you're open to all kinds of scandel....
Duncan...topic , topic...oh yes, While the Catfish is away the guppies will play...no.....that was a different thread or two....
Hardness (wont touch that with a ten foot pole) water hardness has had no effect on my head standing barbs. I havent lost any more, and the kribs and Ctenopoma are happy no matter what. Barbs do not have the right color either...
the thread has digressed because no one knows what's up with the barbs (or down as the case may be)

July 11, 2008
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Oh /sad.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad.gif" />
Do you have any other tanks you could put them into temporarily to see how they react?

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QUOTE (Reva @ Jul 11 2008, 08:22 AM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sorry Malti...when you use a beautiful , warm , island as a sign in name, you're open to all kinds of scandel....

wonder if u came here on a rainy day...it still would be warm and wet /unsure.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":unsure:" border="0" alt="unsure.gif" />

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