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Microctenopoma Species
August 3, 2008
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Matt
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David's new Microctenopoma damasi project is making me jealous. I've kept M. fasciolatum (form "B" if you follow Aqualog) and M. ansorgii in the past and loved them both. They are really interesting fish and I know that at least 2 other members here have them/have kept them so thought I'd start this thread to share experiences. I'll chip back in tomorrow as I'm really tired but thought I might forget if I don't write something now. /rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" />

For those that are unfamiliar with these species, here's a male M. ansorgii in breeding colours:

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August 3, 2008
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great topic Matt. as you know i have m fasciolatum, have had them a while now, but no spawns yet. they are a very nice fish, a bit shy at times.
here is a picture of the male, not a good shot i'm afraid.

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August 4, 2008
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I want some really BADLY /wub.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":wub:" border="0" alt="wub.gif" /> !!!!
I can see that they have "comb"-like fins...is that why they are called microTENAPOMA Matt?
Or are they at all related to my Leopard Bushfish Ctenopoma acutirostre?

August 4, 2008
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Hey Riva

Am sure Matt won't mind me answering your question.

Up until fairly recently all the African bushfish belonged to genus Ctenopoma. Breeding methods then accounted for a 'split'. Ctenopoma are fish which reproduce by simply scattering their eggs and milt to take a chance on reproducing their own kind. Microctenopoma construct primitive nests of bubbles to hold their eggs and fry.

Both C. and M. are closely related to the well-known Climbing perch, genus Anabas, of Asia.

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August 4, 2008
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QUOTE (David Marshall @ Aug 4 2008, 01:31 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hey Riva

Am sure Matt won't mind me answering your question.

Up until fairly recently all the African bushfish belonged to genus Ctenopoma. Breeding methods then accounted for a 'split'. Ctenopoma are fish which reproduce by simply scattering their eggs and milt to take a chance on reproducing their own kind. Microctenopoma construct primitive nests of bubbles to hold their eggs and fry.

Both C. and M. are closely related to the well-known Climbing perch, genus Anabas, of Asia.

Regards David

Thanks David...so are they both anabantids even if Ctenopoma do not build bubblenests?

August 5, 2008
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They are Reva, and closely related as David said. /thumbs_up.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":thumbsup:" border="0" alt="thumbs_up.gif" /> David and Keith, how do you have your tanks set up? I kept the ansorgii in a very dark tank with some peat fibre and leaves as substrate, a largish piece of wood with a big bunch of java fern attached, plus some Salvinia on the surface. I also left a good 4 or 5" gap between the water surface and tank cover. Two pairs in the tank and this group produced fry pretty steadily for a year or so before I moved here. I just left the fry in with the parents and although some were probably eaten there were always plenty in there hiding in the peat.

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August 5, 2008
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Hey Matt

Your system sounds fine. With ansorgii many people, because of the extremely primitive nest, never realise reproduction between a pair has taken place.

Regards David

August 5, 2008
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QUOTE (Matt @ Aug 5 2008, 03:22 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
They are Reva, and closely related as David said. /thumbs_up.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":thumbsup:" border="0" alt="thumbs_up.gif" /> David and Keith, how do you have your tanks set up? I kept the ansorgii in a very dark tank with some peat fibre and leaves as substrate, a largish piece of wood with a big bunch of java fern attached, plus some Salvinia on the surface. I also left a good 4 or 5" gap between the water surface and tank cover. Two pairs in the tank and this group produced fry pretty steadily for a year or so before I moved here. I just left the fry in with the parents and although some were probably eaten there were always plenty in there hiding in the peat.

That's exactly how my setup is for my Ctenopoma acutirostre. It's a deep tank, peat filtered, lots of bogwood that are heavy with java fern, and some jar caves. I hope mine breed eventually /wub.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":wub:" border="0" alt="wub.gif" />

Would the Kribs eat the Bushfish fry? everyone else in there has a sucker mouth except the tiger barbs....

August 5, 2008
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I don't know anything about the fish in the main topic but YES I'd imagine the Kribs will eat the fry /sad.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad.gif" /> I've had breeding Kribs and I know what they're like. I'm pressuming you mean Pelvicachromis Kribs anyway.

August 7, 2008
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I would say so Reva, and the barbs would probably get in on the feast too. From what I've read acutirostre produce loads of eggs so be sure to have some grow-out tanks ready!

David that is pretty much how it happened for me. Some of the Java fern was growing emerse and they built the nest behind this so I couldn't see it. Once I spotted the first fry I started observing them more closely although it was still difficult to see much of the spawning behaviour as the tank was so dark. /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

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August 7, 2008
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Hey Matt

Yes ansorgii live a secretive life. Of the labyrinth grouping I think the spawning behaviour of Channa bleheri is perhaps the most strange. Adults enjoy a well lit aquarium more than any other labyrinth fish yet spawning reports indicate that pairs reproduce, in complete privacy, in caves.

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August 16, 2008
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There are a few Channa species that are known to spawn in caves. I had a fantastic pair of C. stewartii (remember them Neill?) that excavated a real network of tunnels under the driftwood in their tank. David how do you intend to spawn the damasi? Do they need similar conditions to ansorgii?

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August 16, 2008
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Hey Matt

Yes the spawning conditions are similar to ansorgii. The pair are getting along fine and when the male gets a little rough the female retreats to her favourite cave. Will post any spawning activity as and if it happens.

Regards David

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