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Micropoecilia Craze, Anyone?
January 3, 2010
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I'm always been a Micropoecilia fans (Poecilia too and other livebearers!)
However, it's been very hard, if not, impossible, for me to obtain any in Malaysia. There's simply no hobbyist or importer would be interested in this genus.

I was lucky to know one importer, which helps me import Micropoecilia parae from Germany. What's ironic is that, the melanzoma form were develop in our neighbouring country, Thailand, but we have to purchases it back from Germany, at sky-high price! But i understand, by selling pairs of livebearers to Asian people would only mean a thing, the market will overwhelmed with this fishes, price will drop and the breeder will have lower profit margin.

However, let's get back to the topic. I was also lucky to receive a pair of M.minima from a Switzerland friend, but the male suicide and left the female alone, without any single fry. how sad...

My experience with M.picta was also bad, where i try to import it from Bangkok, and the females died during the shipping. Even the replacement females died (2 times) and i give up!

Currently i have M.parae melanzoma red and blue, but both females doesnt look that good shape. From the whole shipment, only 1 females of each variant shows better health and i've decided to take the pair (both variants) home. I only hoping for fries soon!

There's only one more dream to achieve, Micropoecilia branneri!!! So far, i've never see anyone have them, bred them or sell them.. it's like not in the hobby at all. How about anyone in this forum? Mind to share some experience with branneri??

January 3, 2010
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QUOTE (harnsheng @ Jan 3 2010, 02:55 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
What's ironic is that, the melanzoma form were develop in our neighbouring country, Thailand, but we have to purchases it back from Germany, at sky-high price!

I´d be very interested to know more about this Harn. How do you mean ´developed´ in Thailand?

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January 3, 2010
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QUOTE (Matt @ Jan 3 2010, 05:01 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
I´d be very interested to know more about this Harn. How do you mean ´developed´ in Thailand?

I'm guessing he means linebred, or whatever. But this isn't supposed to be an issue in parae anyway since females will breed true to whatever colour male that inseminates them. See this article: http://www.nature.com/hdy/jour.....0386a.html
Females are however sold as "blue" females, and "red" females etc. I have a red melanzona male, one that was sold as a red melanzona that has pretty much no colour (don't know if it's gonna colour up or not though?) and one that was sold as a yellow melanzona but it looks more red and the stripes are broken up. Also bought a yellow and a blue male for a friend of mine.

Regarding the M. branneri there is some confusion to whether what species it is that has been imported as P. amazonica lately. Its supposedly from a locality thats very close to the type locality of M. minima but some people claim that it's actually M. branneri. There's not many pictures on the net and I don't have the description papers so I wouldn't know how to tell them apart.
Pictures of these fish can be seen here: http://www.akvarieviden.dk/for.....p?tid=3617 and here: http://zoopet.com/forum/showth.....p?t=136297 if anyone wants to have a guess at what they really are.

Micropoecilia picta was very easy to breed i think, no problems there.

January 3, 2010
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QUOTE (Matt @ Jan 4 2010, 12:01 AM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
I´d be very interested to know more about this Harn. How do you mean ´developed´ in Thailand?

Actually, i mean it was selectively bred in Thailand. He is also one of the forumer from Petfrd.com. The melanzoma forms of the parae are very color specific, where females had preferences to certain color. In nature, such melanzoma variants does not occur in big numbers. In my opinion, to achieve such degree of color strains in parae would takes quite a while with selective and inbreeding, and most surprisingly, it is kept unknown for so long, until it is announced by Glaser Aquarium recently.

Besides that, there's another source saying that hormones were used to achieve faster breeding or some sort, which certainly does affect the health of the fishes (and i guess it occurred to red Picta too during the early introduction stages where the price is still high!)
However, we need some clarification on this.

January 4, 2010
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QUOTE (harnsheng @ Jan 3 2010, 04:47 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
Actually, i mean it was selectively bred in Thailand. He is also one of the forumer from Petfrd.com. The melanzoma forms of the parae are very color specific, where females had preferences to certain color. In nature, such melanzoma variants does not occur in big numbers. In my opinion, to achieve such degree of color strains in parae would takes quite a while with selective and inbreeding, and most surprisingly, it is kept unknown for so long, until it is announced by Glaser Aquarium recently.

Besides that, there's another source saying that hormones were used to achieve faster breeding or some sort, which certainly does affect the health of the fishes (and i guess it occurred to red Picta too during the early introduction stages where the price is still high!)
However, we need some clarification on this.

Hi,

These Micropoecilia Parae are proving a very big headache over here in the UK.We have 2 colours (red and blue),Dave Mac has 5 pairs of each 3 colours and another guy we know called Chris Cheswright has many pairs of each colour too.

We have noticed a few things about them.

The females are very hard on the males so if you notice excessive chasing ,maybe sometimes best to seperate after the males had his wicked way with her! (:

Some of the ones being seen in shops have about 15-20% of the colour of the fish on the Glaser website! very pale in comparison...

Between us and Dave Mac and Chris we have roughly say 20-25 pairs of these fish...And yet not one fry in over 3 months now between all 3 of us!!!

Now i know the females dont get properly gravid like an endler but i get the gist that they are like Micro.Picta in that you do have a little clue as to when you may get the odd baby.

But with these not a sniff..We have our females in isolation in tanks so full of JAVA moss that at least the odd baby would definately survive. Dave Mac has a couple even in the V tanks Made by glass craft of Leamington Spa but still not a fry.I dont know what method Chris is using but i am sure he is tinkering with them in order to get fry...Now we have heard tales that they eat their young and also that you wont have big broods of babies just sporadic batches of a few..and one guy even said on an American forum that they are similar to Heterandria Formosa in that its the odd baby every now and then...Thoughts?

We have heard tales of female endlers being sold as the female side of pairs of these PARAE but on close inspection these are definately not female endlers we have as our females.The shape is wrong and way they are and colour also.

So we are looking at all us struggling to get just one fry and we are thinking has somebody at the end on the other side of the water done something to these fish to safeguard their investment maybe? Its not an accusation just a thought..but these fish went for big money and it wouldnt take long with just Us ,Dave and Chris breeding them to kill the market...here in the uk...

Maybe hormones who knows...Lets see what others thoughts are on this.

Just thought i would post this as all i hear is good things being posted all over the internet but the reality of keeping them is seeming to be very different..

We got our stock from HOBBYFISH in Milton Keynes AND a shop just off the M25 which escapes me(not wildwoods) ...DAVE and Chris got theirs from CROWLANDS MAIDENHEAD at Peterborough.So as you can see 3 different shops...

Also to the person whos searching for Micro.Branneri i see they are listed as being in stock at WILDWOODS ..near London.

Whats everybody else think...

Cheers

Tim / Dave

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January 5, 2010
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Should have the descriptions of branneri and parae (both in the same paper by Eigenmann) soon...

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January 6, 2010
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So anybody anywhere in the uk had fry? or is it tumbleweed for all of us?

January 6, 2010
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hmm i have head very similar stories from other folks who have the parae. not sure what is going on. if the germans etc are using hormones, they are keeping it a closely guarded secret.
i've not heard anyone having any success with them.
lets hope you guys an get them to produce, or there is no hope for the rest of us.

January 6, 2010
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I don' think the Germans would be the ones (allegedly) using hormone manipulation in this case.

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January 8, 2010
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Oh man.. it's very sad to hear alot of people have bad experience with the parae... My female get skinny overnight and i'm trying to find any sign of fries but no success.. sad.. could it be re-absorbtion? I dont think the parae are so vicious and serious fry-predating fish??

The hormone thing, i dont think it's German... it's usually Asian inside-job. Glaser Aquarium, get their parae from Thailand, which is the first main commercial producer of all the melanzoma. As for other source, i have no idea. But Thailand is good in keeping the secret, be it breeding, or hormones.. i'm not sure. We cant blame anyone without proof.

Btw, tdcaquatic, both my melanzoma red and blue females are not really that aggresive towards the males. My melanzoma blue female are skitish, while melanzoma red are very active, sometimes can be seen begging for food! I've seen the female attack the male sometimes, but i do see the male making an effort in chasing the females and mate.

January 8, 2010
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Btw, i've asked my friend, Pascal from Switzerland, and according to him, he had some fries.. few though. Let me get more details on how he did that! At least there is some hope in breeding the parae.

However, i suspect that he got his broodstocks from his past collecting trip.

January 8, 2010
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I've seen the females be pretty hard on the males, but I also saw that in M. picta. Also seen the females be very aggressive towards eachother, and having "standoffs".

January 11, 2010
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I've managed to get some Reds & Blues - I've found the reds more productive than the Blues.

I've had about 15 fry off 3 females - But - I don't know if they were pregnant before I had them.

I've found the fry to be quite fragile & either sulk on the bottom of the tank or quite active in the surface Riccia.

I have lost a few females but not known why.

I've found the females skitish & the males really outward - I've decided to seperate the sexes at the moment.

I had someboy take some spare Red males off me & he put them with some endler females & he thinks they're pregnant - But not sure if they'll be crosses or stored sperm from the endler males.....?

If anyone wants any I've got some spare pairs as I've decided to move back to cichlids - PM or email us.

January 22, 2010
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I have yellow, red and blue melanozomas. They seem to thrive in my tapwater and also they seem to have no trouble breeding and the fry is healthy looking as well.

My yellow and red ones are very strong coloured, just like the pics from Glaser, but my blue sare rather pale.

I feed them newly hatched artemia each day along with various dryfoods and frozen mosquito larvae and bloodworms.

---------------------------- Best regards, Kim Kastberg
January 28, 2010
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yahoo... my melanzoma red pair finally give birth, although i've only collected ONE fry /sad.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad.gif" />

January 28, 2010
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Congrats! Manuel had the same story here though, only one or two fry collected. Really odd. Kim it could be interesting to know your water parameters etc.

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January 28, 2010
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Water parameters here:

400 microsiemens/cm., pH 7,8 and 25 degrees celcius /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

...hopefully more fry will come soon!

---------------------------- Best regards, Kim Kastberg
February 5, 2010
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wohooo... what a happy morning! My female melanzoma blue(which was missing since the first day i added her into the tank) decided to give me some surprises! 6 fry collected so far! yahoo... she's alive! btw, the fry are much smaller compared to the melanzoma orange.

Orange female BIG = 1 big fry
Blue female SMALL = 6 small fry

IMHO..I think another factor which stimulate breeding is cold temperature. After almost 2 weeks of dropping the temperature to 24 degree celcius, the 2 pairs started to give fry! i hope it will happen again in the coming months..more fry hopefully!

February 5, 2010
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We need pics from someone! /biggrin.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" />

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February 5, 2010
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haha... i try my best, Matt..
The last time i tried, the male become pale due to stress.. /wacko.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":wacko:" border="0" alt="wacko.gif" />

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