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Mikrogeophagus Altispinosus - Bolivian Rams
June 23, 2010
3:29 am
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Reva
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Hi guys, I went north to a good LFS to get substrate, and ended up purchasing a pair of Mikrogeophagus altispinosus ( Bolivian Rams). They are juveniles, and the fish store worker and I were guessing as to whether we could pick a pair. Are there any positive identifiers? Thanks for any input
Also, they are in my tetra tank 189liters, ph 6.5 80*F with softer water. That sound ok? Living with big school neons, rasbora hets, congos, and emperors (and corys)

June 23, 2010
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Hey Reva

I have yet to keep Bolivian Rams so am going from information gained through conversations with my much missed friend Dennis - who graced many a Ryedale A.S. meeting before passing away in his sleep.

Your mix of fish is fine and your water parameters should see the Bolivian Rams do well.
These fish like to be kept in small groups, as this spreads the 'natural bullying' they display around. Until they get truly settled these fish can be difficult to get to feed - D. found that live daphnia was the key.

Bolivian Rams are never easy, particularly as juveniles, to sex. I don't know whether impotation of BR's into the U.S.A. is the same as it is for the U.K. but we tend to see a greater number of males come through. D. was lucky in that he had family connections with an aquatic retailer in southern England, who was able to obtain a pair from a German wholesaler for him.

When spawning these fish, in the early 1990's, Dennis found that they acted like Angelfish in that they showed little respect for their first broods but once parental duties got into their minds they became model parents.

The retail outlet owner who sold Dennis the original pair had travelled with fish collectors in several South American countries. The collectors regarded BR's as annual fish rather than those with a long span of life but, as with annual killies, in aquaria I believe they have an average of 32 months from birth to death but could be wrong on this point?

Hope this helps.

Regards David

June 23, 2010
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http://www.cichlid-forum.com/p.....p?t=142702

From my Cichlid database your situation, as David said is great, including companions.
The above link gives some ideas about sexing.
A very attractive fish.

June 23, 2010
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thank you gentlemen!! I was very impressed with the detail on that cichlid forum John, and am going upstairs to look at mine very carefully...
the store said that I could bring one back if I have two of the same sex, but based on David's info, I will try to obtain two pair. Last night they seemed happy to be in a big planted tank, and ate frozen brine shrimp/bloodworm 50/50 cubes.
Will let you know how this turns out. I can always pick a pair of baby angelfish if I look long enough, so hopefully my instincts held true in this case.
David I have heard that all the rams are short lived, but also that this kind is longer lived and tougher than blues. but that is hearsay. I was going to get Apistos , but didnt see any with cute faces or great colors. These guys are really cute.
PS. the parrots are doing fine in the higher ph...bright orange again /wub.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":wub:" border="0" alt="wub.gif" />

June 23, 2010
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[quote name='Reva' date='Jun 23 2010, 07:23 PM' post='21842']
thank you gentlemen!! I was very impressed with the detail on that cichlid forum John, and am going upstairs to look at mine very carefully...
the store said that I could bring one back if I have two of the same sex, but based on David's info, I will try to obtain two pair. Last night they seemed happy to be in a big planted tank, and ate frozen brine shrimp/bloodworm 50/50 cubes.
Will let you know how this turns out. I can always pick a pair of baby angelfish if I look long enough, so hopefully my instincts held true in this case.
David I have heard that all the rams are short lived, but also that this kind is longer lived and tougher than blues. but that is hearsay. I was going to get Apistos , but didnt see any with cute faces or great colors. These guys are really cute.
PS. the parrots are doing fine in the higher ph...bright orange again /wub.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":wub:" border="0" alt="wub.gif" />
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hi
bolivan rams i have kept for upto five years no probs and you need to look at anal fin and dorsal fin these are defo more extended on males

June 24, 2010
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[/quote
hi
bolivan rams i have kept for upto five years no probs and you need to look at anal fin and dorsal fin these are defo more extended on males
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thank you baitmanx, I think I have two males... /rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" /> they are happily eating, but they had a mouth grab tug of war today..both have the tiny backward extending tubes too. One definately has more color and beginnings of spikes on the caudal fin too

July 25, 2010
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Hello!

In this little movie you (maybe) can see differences between the sexes.

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