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My Newish Pond Filters
February 8, 2011
10:19 am
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Ivor Koi
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Having only joined recently, I notice that people have put photos of there new ponds here and thought some might like to see my new addition of pond filters?

I decided a couple of years ago to put the filters under some decking in place of some very old paving slabs. It meant removing the slabs, then all the clay & flint under them to a depth of about 2 feet (60cm).

I installed a surface skimmer (one of the best things I ever did!) which I added to an existing 1 and half inch bottom drain. Not the ideal bottom drain size, but it was installed years ago before I even understood that 4" was much better.

The bottom drain & surface skimmer can be independantly controlled so that I am able to switch off the bottom drain completely in the winter if needed. This allows for the surface skimmer to work at full pelt keeping the surface clear of ice even during the minus zero degrees we recently had.

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As you can see, the pond is kept clear of ice because of the surface skimmer is causing movement.

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February 8, 2011
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Lovely pond and stunning garden /thumbs_up.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":thumbsup:" border="0" alt="thumbs_up.gif" />

February 8, 2011
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What he said. /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" /> More pics please!

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February 8, 2011
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hi ivor
i dont want to be a kiljoy
but i honestly think your going to have problems with your bottom drain especially with so much vegetataion surrounding the pond which i might add is really really nice
back to the drain
have you made it possible to rod it if it gets blocked
its easy to add this all you need to do is add a tee with a cap on it at the highest point
i kept koi for near 20 years but my pond was more clinical, water and fish thats it.
you have what i would call a wildlife pond
regarding the filters could they not be modified to work with 4"
if you join or are in a local koi club you could borrow one of the show vats to keep the fish in while you do the work again
or you could use sludgebuster to try and maintain the pipework but this wont break down vegetation
must say again its a really nice pond /thumbs_up.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":thumbsup:" border="0" alt="thumbs_up.gif" />

would like to see the filter set up

martin

February 9, 2011
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QUOTE (JazzBora150 @ Feb 8 2011, 08:04 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
hi ivor
i dont want to be a kiljoy
but i honestly think your going to have problems with your bottom drain especially with so much vegetataion surrounding the pond which i might add is really really nice
back to the drain
have you made it possible to rod it if it gets blocked
its easy to add this all you need to do is add a tee with a cap on it at the highest point
i kept koi for near 20 years but my pond was more clinical, water and fish thats it.
you have what i would call a wildlife pond
regarding the filters could they not be modified to work with 4"
if you join or are in a local koi club you could borrow one of the show vats to keep the fish in while you do the work again
or you could use sludgebuster to try and maintain the pipework but this wont break down vegetation
must say again its a really nice pond /thumbs_up.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":thumbsup:" border="0" alt="thumbs_up.gif" />

would like to see the filter set up

martin

Thanks for your concern Martin. The bottom drain had been installed at least 10 years prior to me putting the new filters under my new decked patio. It also had a standpipe fitted so that I could do water changes etc. whenever I needed.

All I have done when setting up the new filters was to re-direct the bottom exsisting drain to enter the first filter (a vortex with standpipe) alongside the surface skimmer. The pond liner is butyl which is 5 foot deep at its deepest which to replace as I would like with a 4" pipe would be very expensive for a pensioner /wacko.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":wacko:" border="0" alt="wacko.gif" />

I can understand why you might think the pond is wildlife pond Martin, but that is because of the photo's I have shown. I will try to upload some more revealing pictures here later today, as I have to go out now.

Thanks again Martin for your help.

Roger

February 9, 2011
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quote name='Ivor Koi' date='Feb 9 2011, 09:47 AM' post='26396']
Thanks for your concern Martin. The bottom drain had been installed at least 10 years prior to me putting the new filters under my new decked patio. It also had a standpipe fitted so that I could do water changes etc. whenever I needed.

All I have done when setting up the new filters was to re-direct the bottom exsisting drain to enter the first filter (a vortex with standpipe) alongside the surface skimmer. The pond liner is butyl which is 5 foot deep at its deepest which to replace as I would like with a 4" pipe would be very expensive for a pensioner /wacko.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":wacko:" border="0" alt="wacko.gif" />

I can understand why you might think the pond is wildlife pond Martin, but that is because of the photo's I have shown. I will try to upload some more revealing pictures here later today, as I have to go out now.

Thanks again Martin for your help.

Roger
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O.k. I'm back and am now going to attempt uploading some more pictures...

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As you can see, I do not have what I would call 'Great Looking' fish, but as most were bred in the pond and I had the thought that I would not throw out an ugly looking fish, no more than I would a handicapped child. So although they may be unimpressive, they are mine and I will have to wait until the lottery win before I can purchase a 2 foot Kohaku /rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" />

When the weather improves, I will take photo's of how I built the filters if anyone is interested?

As I keep saying... cant wait until Spring.

Roger

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February 9, 2011
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dont worry about expensive fish get some english bred ones they look every bit as good and cost a fraction of a nice jap one
defo dont get any isreali ones as they havnt got KHV sorted yet and as far as im aware such an outbreak hasnt hit the uk yet

have you got a quarantine set up at all

i used mine to grow on fish quickly

a year in the tank took a nice showa i had from 8 to 19 in a season

vortex is a good job

i know what your saying about waiting for spring i was the same as i had an unheated pond

its a lovely pond and must be very relaxing to sit there in the summer and watch your "Jewels"

i would add a few kohaku and a yamabuki ogon to get a wee bit more colour in there

dont worry about quality, colour is what you want

you could even throw some goldfish in here too

ever had any problems with herons?

martin

February 9, 2011
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QUOTE (JazzBora150 @ Feb 9 2011, 03:19 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
dont worry about expensive fish get some english bred ones they look every bit as good and cost a fraction of a nice jap one
defo dont get any isreali ones as they havnt got KHV sorted yet and as far as im aware such an outbreak hasnt hit the uk yet

have you got a quarantine set up at all

i used mine to grow on fish quickly

a year in the tank took a nice showa i had from 8 to 19 in a season

vortex is a good job

i know what your saying about waiting for spring i was the same as i had an unheated pond

its a lovely pond and must be very relaxing to sit there in the summer and watch your "Jewels"

i would add a few kohaku and a yamabuki ogon to get a wee bit more colour in there

dont worry about quality, colour is what you want

you could even throw some goldfish in here too

ever had any problems with herons?

martin

February 9, 2011
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Hi Martin, talking of English bred Koi, do you have a good local supplier or do you have a good on-line contact?

No I do not have a quarantine tank and would love to hear your advice on what to get. I already know the wife is going to moan... Where do you think you are going to put that?" I might just tell her /angry.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":angry:" border="0" alt="angry.gif" />

I already have a fairly good Yamabuki Hariwake, but as it has grown I think it has lost a little of its colour. I will definately be getting some Kohaku and Sanke. My wife likes Hi Utsuri, so she will get one (or a couple) of those in exchange for a quarantine tank in the living room in front of the tele.

I am very fortunate never to have had trouble with herons but have been told by a neighbour that we had one on the roof of the house at about 6 a.m. one morning. If you have ever witnessed a heron taking off, you will see that it needs a long run up and climbs very slowly. I think that because of high fences and trees around the pond, they dont fancy their chances of being able to get airbourne again. That's the crossed fingers theory anyway.

As I said previously, when the weather gets better, I will take some photo's of the filter setup and post them here.

Thanks again for all your input Martin.

Roger 'Ivor Koi'

February 9, 2011
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all my koi were japanese but not the serious money ones

think the dearest i paid was 180 for a 4" momontaro shiro which turned out to be a bit of a waste of cash as it didnt really colour up well but the growth rate was amazing it was 24" after 3 years
he has the record for the biggest 1 year old at just under 39"
but when you get a fish to grow like that it must have other weaknesses

i live in northern ireland so im no help to you as far as english bred fish

are you in a koi club? if not look up the BKKS on the net and find your local club go along and reap the wealth of knowledge you may even get cheap fish of some of the members

get a couple of chagoi the grow real fast and from no age will take food from your hand

i always had a trickle of fresh water going into pond after filter and an overflow to waste somewhere. mine was at the filter

are you pump or gravity feeding the filter?

martin

February 10, 2011
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Hi Roger I think we'd definitely be interested to see how you constructed your filters. It's a lovely-looking pond and a credit to you - how I'd love something like that to breed Aphanius in!

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February 10, 2011
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Hi Matt, as it is poaring with rain here today (English Weather /angry.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":angry:" border="0" alt="angry.gif" /> ) it is impossible for me to take any pictures of the filters construction.

I have just attempted to try to draw a plan version of it, but think my grandson could do a much better job...and he is 2.

When the weather is better I will take some detailed pictures and attempt to describe how I have constant drip fed water entering at the final stage which is furthest from the house supply.

Have a great weekend.

Roger

Incidentally, that is my hand in the avatar feeding my fish.

February 11, 2011
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ive been away from koi now for 2 years but still work at a koi dealer in belfast

most of my fish came from there strangley enough

my pond was 10 X 10 X 4 liner approx 2500 gallons (UK)

4 inch bottom drain
skimmer
bakki shower
nexus 200 gravity fed
40 watt uv
2 x 10000 aquamax pumps
1 x 5500 aquamax pumps
2 x 40 litre air pumps

i showed my fish every year at our BKKS annual show

the only thing that was in my pond was water koi and a fine carpet of algae

that is the reason i call your pond a wildlife pond

you have what look to be rocks in your pond i could not risk these for fear of damage to fish

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the pond with filter house on left

2nd pic feeding time

3rd pic some of the koi to give you an idea the showa middle right is 20"

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February 11, 2011
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WOW! Seriously Martin, it is all very well me showing you pictures of a nice pond but the Koi are what we make the ponds for and your Koi are great. /thumbs_up.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":thumbsup:" border="0" alt="thumbs_up.gif" />

When I first got the idea that I might like to keep Koi, I had been reading about a Japanese surgeon who kept them and noticed how he and most Japanese ponds had rocks showing around the edge. I like the whole idea of Japanese gardening and have tried to incorporate some of theirs into my garden. I promise you that in all the approx. 20 years that my pond was first set up, I have never had a fish damage itself on the rocks.

If you can imagine a pond which has an angled, sloping side like so / , with the rocks set on the top, the fish don't really have a chance to get near the edge if jumping out of the water. If they jump, it is away from the edge, never at the very edge.

It is no good... after seeing your beautiful fish, I will be doing my damdest to get some Kohaku & Sanke etc. this coming year.

Thanks for your great pictures Martin.

Roger

February 11, 2011
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roger just a wee thing to tell you

koi dont jump unless they have a parasite infestation

when they jump its almost at a critical level and needs investigating

go sanke varieties are hard to beat

lots of colour

if it were me id put 6 kohaku and 4 sanke in there and a yamabuki ogon and your sorted

February 11, 2011
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Thanks Matt, I did know that but still wondered why or how rocks may have effected your fish?

Seems as though we both know quite a bit about fish keping /thumbs_up.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":thumbsup:" border="0" alt="thumbs_up.gif" />

Have a great weekend.

Roger

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