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New Records Of Sicydiine Gobies From China
October 26, 2010
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Tony Nip (SF user holacanthus) has just had his paper detailing new records of Sicydiine gobies from mainland China published. Some nice pics included, too. Congratulations sir!!! /biggrin.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" />

Nip, T. H.M. 2010. First records of several sicydiine gobies (Gobiidae: Sicydiinae) from mainland China. Journal of Threatened Taxa 2(11): 1237-1244.

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October 26, 2010
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Congrats Tony, excellent stuff /thumbs_up.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":thumbsup:" border="0" alt="thumbs_up.gif" />

October 26, 2010
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Great work Tony! Congrats!!

October 26, 2010
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Congrats Tony, good stuff

October 26, 2010
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Well done, a very interesting read, and some lovely fish pic into the bargin!

October 29, 2010
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Hi, All,

Thank you very much.

As I said in the paper, some sicydiine gobies are of very high conservation concern and rare globally. I will suggest leaving them alone in the wild rather than keeping them in a small tank.

To be honest, I will suggest leaving all mentioned in the paper in the wild, and not to buy them or collect them from the wild.

Cheers,

holacanthus

October 29, 2010
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QUOTE (holacanthus @ Oct 29 2010, 06:12 AM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hi, All,

Thank you very much.

As I said in the paper, some sicydiine gobies are of very high conservation concern and rare globally. I will suggest leaving them alone in the wild rather than keeping them in a small tank.

To be honest, I will suggest leaving all mentioned in the paper in the wild, and not to buy them or collect them from the wild.

Cheers,

holacanthus

Would it be possible to commercially tank breed these fish?

October 29, 2010
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@ Hokum - I think it'd be difficult given their amphidromous life cycle...

Is collection of wild fishes in China policed at all Tony?

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October 29, 2010
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QUOTE (Matt @ Oct 29 2010, 08:41 AM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
@ Hokum - I think it'd be difficult given their amphidromous life cycle...

Hence my question /wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" /> But if it was economical I don't see why it would be hard? You would just need access to sea water and rotifers to get it working.

I believe some German's have managed it?

October 29, 2010
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QUOTE (Hokum @ Oct 29 2010, 11:26 AM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
I believe some German's have managed it?

Ooh interesting, do you have any further info?

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October 29, 2010
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QUOTE (Matt @ Oct 29 2010, 12:02 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ooh interesting, do you have any further info?

I've been reading so much about Gobies its all beginning to blur. I could of sworn it was a PDF I came across.

i'll have a look about it'll be on my laptop at home though.

October 29, 2010
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QUOTE (Hokum @ Oct 28 2010, 10:18 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
Would it be possible to commercially tank breed these fish?


Eggs of some sicydiine gobies have hatched in the tanks of certain Japanese experts or hobbyists from Europe (known from Seriously Fish), but NO ONE can raise the fry successfully. So, conclusion is no one can artifically "breed" the fish.

As I know, all fishes in the trade are unfortunately wild-caught.

October 29, 2010
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QUOTE (Hokum @ Oct 29 2010, 01:26 AM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hence my question /wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" /> But if it was economical I don't see why it would be hard? You would just need access to sea water and rotifers to get it working.

I believe some German's have managed it?


Japanese Eel is of a much higher economical interest. However, after decades and despite effort carried out by experts from different nations, this fish, which also has a complex life-cycle, still cannot be bred.

Sometimes, some threshold is really hard to pass through.

And I do not think breeding experts would consider that Sicydiine Gobies deserve a research effort similar to Japanese Eel.

October 29, 2010
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QUOTE (Matt @ Oct 28 2010, 10:41 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
@ Hokum - I think it'd be difficult given their amphidromous life cycle...

Is collection of wild fishes in China policed at all Tony?


Of course there would be some regulations. But all I know is some stocks have already been depleted by aquarium hobbyists, given their extremely small population size.

October 29, 2010
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QUOTE (holacanthus @ Oct 29 2010, 03:53 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
Of course there would be some regulations. But all I know is some stocks have already been depleted by aquarium hobbyists, given their extremely small population size.

The PDF I'm thinking of is the one where Yoshinobori Gobies were bred these are also amphidromous.

October 29, 2010
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I'm sure that one of the Petfrd members had a some Sicyopterus fry survive. Personally, I think conditions similar to those required for breeding Amano shrimp would be required, which is quite an intensive process. I don't think it's impossible though, especially now that phytoplankton and zooplankton is readily available.

October 30, 2010
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It was our own Tyrano, at the end of this thread. If I'm not mistaken they turned out to be something else? Tyrano?
http://www.petfrd.com/forum/sh.....thread.php...hlight=goby+fry

October 30, 2010
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Thanks Jim /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" /> Right thread, wrong post. I've just read back through it, it was vyastk - starting from post No. 47 on pg. 4 /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

There was also a mention previous to Knight Goby fry surviving in green water, perhaps that's also a solution?

October 31, 2010
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ahhh right Gareth, I do remember that part now, didn't go back far enough. Did you ever hear anymore about this?

October 31, 2010
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Nope, only what was on that thread.

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