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Oreichthys Species
March 4, 2009
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I've arrived at this genus now. /rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" /> From what I've gathered it is arranged something like this:

- O. cosuatis - yellow fins.
- O. parvus - red fins.
- Big bunch of undescribed species from India, Myanmar and Thailand.
- Drapefin barb - another undescribed one possibly a Puntius but often sold as Oreichthys even though it's almost certainly not.

The only one we have pics of is the last fish which looks like this:

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So because this is undescribed and is probably not an Oreichthys should I change the listing in the knowledge base? If so any opinions what to? It's currently in as Oreichthys sp. "high fin". Thanks in advance chaps! /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

Ps - Mick didn't you breed one of the undescribed ones a while back? I seem to remember it from Petfrd...

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March 4, 2009
11:55 pm
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yup your right mate, it was an undescribed as yet species from myanamar, lovely little fish but only suited to a small fish community tank, they could'nt survive in a normal community tank, they're to sedate.
if you look in PB mate there's a pic of the male in full show.
here's a pic i took yesterday of one of the females, even though they're not as showy as the males they do have the good looks.
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the tank should have a decent amount of plants, especially javamoss or any fine leafed plants if you want to spawn them, they would do really well in a planted tank setup similar to Daves, they stay in the lower half of the tank rarely venturing to the upper levels.
spawning is very similar to rasboras, the male even does the upside down like the harlequin but the eggs are nearly non-adhesive and drop to the base or in the moss.
ph is around neutral or just above, temp in the middle to upper 70s.

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March 4, 2009
11:58 pm
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Matt, if i can catch the young male and you strip the one on PB it will show you the colour change from sub adult to adult.

mick
done it for you bud,here's a male with a couple of females, a subadult male has a yellow dorsal changing to the red as it matures.
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March 5, 2009
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Is it this one Mick? It really is an absolutely gorgeous wee fish. I'd like to add it to the database but what should I call it? Just Oreichthys sp. do you think?

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March 5, 2009
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thats the one mate, yes i'd call it sp myanamar as this was confirmed by Kamphol.
at first i thought they were parva but he put me right on that fish with a couple of good pics of parva.

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March 5, 2009
6:45 pm
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Just had a search over there and found the old thread. Kamphol's pics of parvus are superb. /cool.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="B)" border="0" alt="cool.gif" />

Is it only the dominant male of the sp. 'Myanmar' that colours up so nicely?

Edit - have you seen the thread by Frank Greco about his DNA work with Oreichthys? Seems he has evidence that the drape fin IS in this genus. I've emailed him to ask about it. Have also attached a pic of your fish Mick as he's been working with a few undescribed ones so thought I'd ask if yours was one of 'em. Hope that's alright... /unsure.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":unsure:" border="0" alt="unsure.gif" />

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March 6, 2009
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no mate, at one time i had four or five males inthe same tank all with the same colours.

yeah no prob with sending the pic mate, i'm still not sure about this DNA lark, they did a massive one on killi's and are still doing it but Bill Drake who's one of the top guys in the country told me they revised and changed the name of a killi 5 times in one year and they're doing it with others as well.
so if it's that conclusive why are they changing the names all the time?

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March 6, 2009
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He I know what you mean Mick; it's difficult to keep up sometimes! /wacko.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":wacko:" border="0" alt="wacko.gif" /> Here's what Frank said about your fish mate:

I think this is the one we are calling Oreichthys sp. Burma Redfin #2. See http://www.franksaquarium.com/.....chthys.htm.Do you think it would be possible for me to get some preserved specimens of these fish (male and female)? I'd like to run the DNA on them, just to be sure they are the same. I'd send everything needed to preserve the fish.

You fancy preserving some of those boys for science? /tongue.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" />

Interesting in the link he has Kamphol's O. parvus labelled as O. cf. parvus. He's going to get really bored of my questions soon... /biggrin.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" />

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March 6, 2009
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WOW ...you guys are just fascinating to read. I suppose they are changing the names all the time due to finding out so many more specifics, than just external, with this DNA research. How do you guys locate these new types? At the source? oddballs in a tank at the LFS?

March 6, 2009
6:23 pm
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he's got no chance of me killing the fish, as you already know by what you wrote bud.
and besides i know a few people who have tried to send specimens over, they never arrived, they think one of the customs got rid of them. /angry.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":angry:" border="0" alt="angry.gif" />
especially after 11/9, you know they could have a bloody bomb hidden inside them. /laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="Laugh" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" />

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March 6, 2009
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here y'are mate, you know that pic i sent of the stolizkanus well here's another of the same fish in a happy mood bud.
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March 6, 2009
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Stunning fish and pic mate straight into the database for that one. /cool.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="B)" border="0" alt="cool.gif" /> Would you agree that your fish and Frank's sp. Burma Redfin #2 are the same one by the way?

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March 6, 2009
9:17 pm
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yes Matt, and frank ain't getting my fish.

mick

March 6, 2009
9:44 pm
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Cracking fish that Mick.

March 6, 2009
9:47 pm
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cheers dunc, he's getting an old man now but he's still a lively one.

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March 6, 2009
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QUOTE (mickthefish @ Mar 6 2009, 10:00 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
yes Matt, and frank ain't getting my fish.

mick

I took that for granted buddy. /tongue.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" />

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March 7, 2009
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Frank's reply re. Kamphol's parvus pics:

Just me erring o the side of caution. Kamphol's parvus (Kp) and the true parvus (Pt) look different, at least when comparing the pics. The spot on the caudal peduncle is smaller in Kp than in Pt, and there is more red in the fins of Kp than I have seen in Pt. The markings on the dorsal also appear to be different. But without samples, I'm not able to say for sure what species they really are

...and about Mick's (doomed) fish:

Thinking about it, I don't need the whole fish. Several fin clips will do.

LMFAO Mick just snip their dorsals bud! /laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="Laugh" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" />

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March 8, 2009
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Ok I think I'll list the Myanmar one as 'sp. Myanmar redfin #2'. It's a bit of a mouthful but as Frank is listing it like that in his study and there's nothing else on the net about the fish it seems to make sense to follow his convention. Mick hope you don't mind; let me know if you want it changed.

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March 8, 2009
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don't mind at all mate, it's good enough until they name it properly.

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March 8, 2009
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Cool ok mate. /thumbs_up.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":thumbsup:" border="0" alt="thumbs_up.gif" /> How long do the eggs take to hatch, become free-swimming etc.?

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