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Pangio sp. panda
February 1, 2010
12:11 pm
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Hi,

last weekend I was a little surprised. In a tank with "Pangio pangia" are some of the Panda Pangio. Some with blueish coloured heads, others without this colorization. Sadly the bluish is gone in my tank and the Pangio get a darker body (like P. oblonga).

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Has anybody seen this blue head at Pangios too? I will play a bit with the light, maybe I can get the blue back...

Thomas

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February 1, 2010
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Hi Thomas, is this one undescribed or a variant of an existing species?

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February 1, 2010
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I don't know Matt. First I meant I've got this: http://www.loaches.com/species.....-unknown-1 but now I' unsure, my have colored pectorals, this differs them from the similar P. oblonga and the "panda" in the link. And the colour of the barbels is the same from the dark bars on the head, the panda coolie has brighter barbels, and my oblonga also. Less or more /unsure.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":unsure:" border="0" alt="unsure.gif" />

My P. oblonga to compare:
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But the behaviour is exactly the same as I know it from P. oblonga. Not very shy /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

February 1, 2010
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The ones I've seen had a very distinct, dark, panda stripe across the eyes. Yours seem to have faded Thomas, could it be the white substrate?

February 1, 2010
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You are right, it's faded. Here is a pic taken a few minutes after they come in the tank. Dark on the back and the sides were brighter than now.

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February 1, 2010
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it's me again,

I've turns the light out and take a photo. With the flash light the blueish comes a bit through. In 2005 I've seen here in a shop a shipment full of this "blueheadpangio". In the shop tanks the blue heads were easy to see, but I bought none and couldn't say what would happens at home with the heads. I also don't know which lamps the shop use.

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I don't know if this really important /unsure.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":unsure:" border="0" alt="unsure.gif" />

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February 2, 2010
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Hi Thomas I don't think the fish you posted as oblonga is that species as it lacks nasal barbels and yours has them. *scratches chin*

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February 2, 2010
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filinaris? Great, one more construction area... /rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" /> I've searched a bit on loaches.com and found...a blueface http://www.loaches.com/species.....ndex/photo...nga_05.jpg/view maybe it has really only to do with the light.

I wonder if it has been better to buy some of the Lepdiocephalus macrochir on Saturday... uglier but easy to determine /laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="Laugh" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" />

February 2, 2010
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Hehehe it's all good fun though right Thomas?! /biggrin.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" />

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February 2, 2010
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Indeed Matt /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

May 24, 2010
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Hi,

some times ago I've noticed that at least two females are gravid. Today I made this pic. The eggs are good to see between ventrale and anale.

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May 29, 2010
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Now to find the spawning trigger!

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October 14, 2011
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QUOTE (Matt @ May 29 2010, 11:05 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
Now to find the spawning trigger!


Till now I can say, nothing works without males... /rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" /> Seems all the five are females and the one I thought it was a male looks a bit like a gravid female now. /blush.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":blush:" border="0" alt="blush.gif" />

At least I can get one or two males tomorrow, this species is in trade at the moment.

Cheers,
Thomas

October 14, 2011
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Ok, you can call me idiot! /laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="Laugh" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" /> I've catch out the putative male and one of the females to compare the pectorals from top and now it's clear, it is a male and nothing else.

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both together, I would say it's clear.

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Now I haven't any excuse why they doesn't spawn.

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October 14, 2011
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That shows the difference really clearly, great stuff Thomas! Are all the females paler, or is it just stress patterning in the photo?

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October 14, 2011
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yes Matt, only the male is dark, the four female are paler. Not so pale as in the bucket but pale.

October 17, 2011
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Thanks for the confirmation. /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

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