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Pangio spp.
September 15, 2010
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Matt
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Am planning to work on a few Pangio species profiles next. /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" /> First thing is we could do with a few more images. Here are the species we DO have pics for:

P. anguillaris
P. cuneovirgata
P. doriae
P. kuhlii
P. piperata
P. shelfordii

Can anyone help with images of other species, particularly P. myersi?

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September 16, 2010
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I will have a good look through my pics tomorrow Matt, I think I have images of:

P. anguillaris
P. cuneovirgata
P. doriae
P. kuhlii
P. myersi

September 17, 2010
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That'd be great Mark - I have a few of your pics but think they're all P. kuhlii. /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

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September 20, 2010
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So just to confirm - this should be P. cuneovirgata (Thomas' pics).

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September 26, 2010
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Here's something interesting and not widely reported - P. kuhlii is apparently endemic to Java with P. semicincta replacing it in Borneo, Sumatra and Peninsular Malaysia. If that's the case I wonder which is the common species in the trade.

If anyone has access to the relevant text from either of the following I'd really appreciate it:

- Kottelat, M. and A.J. Whitten. 1996. Freshwater fishes of Western Indonesia and Sulawesi: additions and corrections. Periplus Editions, Hong Kong. 8 p

- Kottelat, M. 1995. Malaiische Halbinsel und Indonesien: Die Dornaugen der Gattung Pangio. DATZ Aquarien-Terrarien 48: 304-309.

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September 26, 2010
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Hi Matt, if I'm not mistaken, the DATZ-Article is a translation (but not one to one) of this pdf: http://rmbr.nus.edu.sg/rbz/jou.....al412.html

September 26, 2010
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Ah really? In Tan, H. H. and M. Kottelat. 2009 - Ichthyol. Explor. Freshwat. 20(1): 13-69
The fishes of the Batang Hari drainage, Sumatra, with description of six new species
the authors state that in both the references above Kottelat recognises P. kuhlii endemic to Java and P. semicincta to Sumatra, Borneo and Peninsular Malaysia but in the 1993 review Kottelat and Lim "tentatively" view P. semicincta as a synonym of P. kuhlii.

I'm trying to get hold of the reason(s) behind the change in opinion and suspect the images of Javanese P. kuhlii specimens by Fraser-Brunner (1940) are involved somehow so would love to see those too...

On a completely different note - do we know if P. myersi is bred on a commercial basis and whether or not the albino and leucistic forms are naturally-occurring or man-made?

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September 26, 2010
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Here's something interesting and not widely reported - P. kuhlii is apparently endemic to Java with P. semicincta replacing it in Borneo, Sumatra and Peninsular Malaysia. If that's the case I wonder which is the common species in the trade.

I have read it on Antti Vuorela's site before.

http://www.kolumbus.fi/vuorela.....nglish.htm

September 26, 2010
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Great, bit more info in that link. /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" /> Thanks Henri!

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September 29, 2010
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Hi Thomas don't suppose you have any more images of P. piperata?

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September 29, 2010
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Not really Matt, the two piperata died with a lot of new shelfordii, cuneovirgata and malayana a few days after I bought them. That was one of the darkest days in my aquarist live. The whole Pangio shipment in the shop died also.

September 30, 2010
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That's a shame. /sad.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad.gif" /> I have another question - have you seen the head growths that male P. anguillaris develop in any other species? I've seen a similar phenomenon in some Acanthopsoides...

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September 30, 2010
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yes Matt, I've seen this on another male that I get from private a few weeks ago. Look here: http://www.seriouslyfish.com/f.....topic=2642

September 30, 2010
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I was meaning in other species actually but thanks for the link forgot about those pics and will add them to the profile later. /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

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September 30, 2010
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Aah, ok /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" /> No, only at the spotted anguillaris. Even not at the plain brown anguillaris (till now, they are a bit smaller than my spotted).

October 5, 2010
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Ok thanks Thomas. /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" /> Am waiting on a couple of papers before adding any more species - I've an inkling the 'real' P. kuhlii isn't in the hobby...

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October 7, 2010
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This fish (pics by Mark) is the one identified on LOL and elsewhere as P. alternans but personally I have my doubts. The body patterning doesn't really match the description and the caudal fin has a single black bar (supposed to be hyaline in P. alternans).

Any opinions?

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October 18, 2010
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Bumpy bump... /tongue.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" />

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October 27, 2010
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These guys are so hard to photograph. Also the glass needs polishing.

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November 25, 2010
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what the hell is this? http://radikal.ru/F/s48.radika.....ru/i120/09...e57eed.jpg.html

Never seen such a pangio, anyone here?

Thomas

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