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Poecilid Fish.. Unknown Id
March 19, 2010
2:46 pm
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harnsheng
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It was named Scarlet on the bag, but i have no idea what strain or species is this. The previous owner told me it's somewhere between Micropoecilia and Poecilia but im not sure. Anyone have idea?

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Anyway, it's a really striking little fish.. i love this so much!

March 19, 2010
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It does look similar to Micropoecilia sp orange line but yours doesnt have the orange spot in the caudal fin /wacko.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":wacko:" border="0" alt="wacko.gif" />

March 19, 2010
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Hey

There are a large number of Poecilia/Micropoecilia parae around at the present time. Although Variable Molly is the most used common name for these fish they are sometimes sold as the Scarlet or Red Guppy.

Regards David

March 20, 2010
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This one doesn't look like any of the M. picta/parae forms I've seen before though. *scratches chin*

Cake or death?
March 20, 2010
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Now, that the main headache! It doesnt look like any of those that i've search on the internet.

Resemblance:

Micropoecilia Orange Line - but mine had full body orange, not just a line..
Scarlet Endlers - mine doesnt have the dots nor the mini doubleswords of the scarlet

By the way, my friend (the giver) told me to cull away those that have some dots... and selective breeding on the full orange body. Could it be just Endlers, which are half way through selective breeding? Hmmm... /wacko.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":wacko:" border="0" alt="wacko.gif" />

March 20, 2010
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Hey

Very interesting thread we have here. Could be one of many Endlers variants?

Regards David

March 27, 2010
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David, i think so... but who knows.. perhaps the fry will give some hint. Let's hope there's other variant or wild form present in the fries /biggrin.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" />

April 9, 2010
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Here it goes, the male are finally sexually active, and really trying hard to mate all the time. Thankfully, there were 5-6 females for him... wont get too much harassment for each female. /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

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April 9, 2010
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Hey harnsheng

From the body movement of the male, and the placement of his mouth, in your lovely photographs I am starting to wonder if you have either a pure or a crossed Gambusia species?

Gambusia aurata is known as the Gold Mosquitofish so have a look at photographs of this species.

Regards David

April 10, 2010
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Hi David,

Gambusia? hmm.. kinda hard to tell but i really dont think Gambusia were behind all these, besides, i dont know any of those Gambusia were bred to this extend. Is there any? would love to see and get some /biggrin.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" />

Does anyone know's how to id them through the gonopodium structure? I think i can enlarge the photos to view the gonopodium and determine the species? Hmmm.....

April 10, 2010
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Hey

We shall investigate further.

Regards David

April 10, 2010
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Cropped out shot of the gonopodium

Got this from one website, http://endlers.webs.com/gonopodium.htm
To my eyes, it seems that the gonopodium resembles the endlers. Any idea?

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April 12, 2010
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Hey harnsheng

I was at an Open Show yesterday. On the bench was a male that matched the one on your lovely photographs.

I enquired with the 'keeper' of the fish, and others I know with an interest in livebearing fish.

I should have stuck with my first posting as these fish are coming into the U.K. as 'Poecilia/Micropoecilia parae colour form from Czech Republic consolidators'.

Hope this helps.

Regards David

April 19, 2010
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wow.. that's been a very helpful information. My friend once told me it's was a micropoecilia, but im kinda doubt it, but now, another confirmation. Hmmmm....

Thanks David!

April 19, 2010
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It doesn't look close to any of the described species and don't think there's any Gambusia in there either - I'm going for Poecilia sp. 'Czechii' with Micropoecilia possibly mixed in at some earlier point.

Cake or death?
April 19, 2010
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Hey

Matt

No now we are further down the line than when I made the post about a Gambusia look I don't think there is any Gambusia blood in the fish harnsheng photographed. However, before we could confirm the identity, the body movement of the male, and the placement of his mouth, were very similar to the Gambusia I have kept so we looked down this line as a possibility.

Perhaps we will see many colour forms of Poecilia/Micropoecilia parae coming into the hobby - as we have done with Endlers.

Harnsheng

It was a pleasure to help you identify your fish.

Regards David

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