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Possible Fish Tb
May 11, 2011
4:16 am
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Carnivora
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Okay, so here is the deal. I have had this False SAE for a bit over 4 years, maybe 5. He has been hiding more and getting thinner. I figured he would die soon of old age, since I had him so long. I didn't want to cull him just in case I was wrong. Another thing to note is that one of my golden barbs has a spine bent a little in sort of an S-shape in the horizontal plain (in other words side to side not up and down). I had heard that this happens from old age sometimes, so I dismissed it, as the barb is the same age approximately as the False SAE. He has been like that for 6 months. My tank otherwise seems health, as my croaking gouramis continue to breed about every two weeks. I also have a pair of amano shrimp that I have had for two or three months now. I considered my tank to be healthy and stable.

The situation now.

Over the weekend, I was out of town. The False SAE is gone, so I can only assume it died and was consumed by the others. My female croaking gourami has popeye now. I assumed that it was from the ammonia of the decaying False SAE. The day I got back, I did a water change of about 25%. From what I read, I just thought it was an ammonia issue. Today, the other golden barb had a read circle on its side. It looks like a brush-burn that you'd get on your knee from carpet burn. It is about the size of the 3/4's the height of the fish seen laterally. I cannot seem to get a good picture of this, but I will keep trying.

So I started doing research, and I am afraid the tank is infected with TB. This makes me apprehensive, as I certainly don't want the TB. All the fish are behaving normally, and eating just fine. I really could use some advice.

I have worked hard in recent months to keep my tank in top shape. I started to use Purigen, soon after I had amano shrimp survive for the first time, I have kept up a weekly water change regime up for a few months, and my croaking gouramis that I previously thought were male, started to breed around every other week after the water change.

Please help!

May 11, 2011
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I had a similar experience, starting with Pimephales promelas, working through Poecilids, and eventually showing up in botia striata.

A de-wormer didn't seem to work.

I've read that kanamycin is the only treatment that works against fish TB, and not very well or consistently at that.

My fish improved slightly when I switch from our slightly alkaline tap to rain water. The pimephales seemed to improve a little when I switched them from my homemade food to spirulina wafers. Again, though, none of the fish ever recovered completely.

A veterinarian friend of mine told me that the best course is to remove the affected individuals before it spreads.

QUOTE (Carnivora @ May 10 2011, 11:59 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
Okay, so here is the deal. I have had this False SAE for a bit over 4 years, maybe 5. He has been hiding more and getting thinner. I figured he would die soon of old age, since I had him so long. I didn't want to cull him just in case I was wrong. Another thing to note is that one of my golden barbs has a spine bent a little in sort of an S-shape in the horizontal plain (in other words side to side not up and down). I had heard that this happens from old age sometimes, so I dismissed it, as the barb is the same age approximately as the False SAE. He has been like that for 6 months. My tank otherwise seems health, as my croaking gouramis continue to breed about every two weeks. I also have a pair of amano shrimp that I have had for two or three months now. I considered my tank to be healthy and stable.

The situation now.

Over the weekend, I was out of town. The False SAE is gone, so I can only assume it died and was consumed by the others. My female croaking gourami has popeye now. I assumed that it was from the ammonia of the decaying False SAE. The day I got back, I did a water change of about 25%. From what I read, I just thought it was an ammonia issue. Today, the other golden barb had a read circle on its side. It looks like a brush-burn that you'd get on your knee from carpet burn. It is about the size of the 3/4's the height of the fish seen laterally. I cannot seem to get a good picture of this, but I will keep trying.

So I started doing research, and I am afraid the tank is infected with TB. This makes me apprehensive, as I certainly don't want the TB. All the fish are behaving normally, and eating just fine. I really could use some advice.

I have worked hard in recent months to keep my tank in top shape. I started to use Purigen, soon after I had amano shrimp survive for the first time, I have kept up a weekly water change regime up for a few months, and my croaking gouramis that I previously thought were male, started to breed around every other week after the water change.

Please help!

May 11, 2011
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Well, all but one fish are showing symptoms. Does TB not kill immediately? The golden barb with the bent spine has been that way for months.

I take it you think it is TB too eh?

QUOTE (Sonny Disposition @ May 11 2011, 12:24 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
I had a similar experience, starting with Pimephales promelas, working through Poecilids, and eventually showing up in botia striata.

A de-wormer didn't seem to work.

I've read that kanamycin is the only treatment that works against fish TB, and not very well or consistently at that.

My fish improved slightly when I switch from our slightly alkaline tap to rain water. The pimephales seemed to improve a little when I switched them from my homemade food to spirulina wafers. Again, though, none of the fish ever recovered completely.

A veterinarian friend of mine told me that the best course is to remove the affected individuals before it spreads.

May 13, 2011
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I've never had to deal with it myself but I've seen it discussed on other forums, the info from Diana Walstad seems to held in reasonably high regard. Have you seen her article about it?

Diana Walstad article on mycobacterium

HTH /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

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May 13, 2011
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Thank you for the post. It was very informative and helpful.

Any other advice or experiences would be helpful.

QUOTE (poshsouthernbird @ May 13 2011, 01:21 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
I've never had to deal with it myself but I've seen it discussed on other forums, the info from Diana Walstad seems to held in reasonably high regard. Have you seen her article about it?

Diana Walstad article on mycobacterium

HTH /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

May 16, 2011
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So do you think UV filtering for a time is a viable option to get rid of the bacteria?

QUOTE (Carnivora @ May 13 2011, 04:37 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
Thank you for the post. It was very informative and helpful.

Any other advice or experiences would be helpful.

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