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Protozin Removing Fins?
July 5, 2008
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Hi everybody.

I got 4 new Guppies a week ago and added them to the tank. On 1st of July I added Protozin to treat for Ich. I had seen that some of the Platies had started flicking against plant leaves.

Everything was fine until during today the fins of the Guppies (all of them) started disappearing again. The only thing that changed was the treatment for whitespot. I am very tempted to not complete the course and just do a large water change.

Does anyone know whether Protozin could be the cause? A friend of mine had observed the same when she treated her fancy goldfish. I know I asked this before and was told (by Matt I think) that this was not possible. However, it is happening again and I am very concerned. Maybe there is other medication I can use.

I use the correct dosage of Protozin and treatment is done as it says on the tin.

Please help me, because I don't know what to do. I can't go through losing fish again /sad.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad.gif" />

July 5, 2008
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and what did your friend do? did she continue the course?

I'd stop it and try to find an alternative

July 5, 2008
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have the guppies came from the same shop as the previous batch to which you had problems?
It may be a problem with the shop guppies if from same place.
There is other Q's but i'll wait till you answer this first /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

July 5, 2008
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She stopped treatment, but the fish died.

Richy, they did all come from the same shop. As well as all my other fish, but the guppies are the only ones with the fin problem. The surviving one of the first batch was just regrowing his fin.

EDIT: I lost about 50% of fish the last time this happened

July 5, 2008
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so it may be a guppy stock problem, possibility anyway. Don't get anymore whether it's a good shop or not /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />
Can you take a pic for us to look properly? /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />
Any shop can get a dodgy batch of fish now and then so if you like the shop let them know about your problems in a nice way /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />
Pic? /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

July 5, 2008
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QUOTE (Richy @ Jul 5 2008, 09:57 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
so it may be a guppy stock problem, possibility anyway. Don't get anymore whether it's a good shop or not /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />
Can you take a pic for us to look properly? /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />
Any shop can get a dodgy batch of fish now and then so if you like the shop let them know about your problems in a nice way /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />
Pic? /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

http://www.seriouslyfish.com/f.....wtopic=427 This is where I discussed the initial problem. There should be pictures in that thread.

The guppies from the first problem batch were bought in the beginning of April. these ones were bought last week. They are from a different tank as well.

I shall try to get a picture of them, but they are so incredibly fast! /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

July 5, 2008
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Forgot to say earlier, NO protozin shouldn't really cause or make the problem worse.
Remedy in theory, melafix and pimafix together should definatley sort the problem out but you're already treating for now. Protazin should work if it does what it say's on the label.
Prefer natural remidies like pimafix and melafix myself /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

July 5, 2008
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OK, I shall be treating day 4 of the course then.

Thanks for the responses and advice

July 5, 2008
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Thing is though Sofia, that shop is doubtless using the same wholesaler each time they order, and that wholesaler will be using the same fish farm to order their stock from. What I'm saying is, I agree with Richy and think you should try a different shop. It sounds like a problem stemming from whoever is breeding the guppies rather than your lfs. Sorry it's happened again hun. /sad.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad.gif" />

Ps - also agree with Richy that melafix/pimafix are better treatments than protozin. Good luck!

Cake or death?
July 5, 2008
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OK, first of all day 4 of treatment is tomorrow.

I don't have much choice of fish stores round here sadly. Only that dreadful pets at Home apart from Aquacadabra /sad.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad.gif" /> I shall see what I can do. Do you think the other fish are safe from them?

And then also, what do you think I should do with those guppies now? Wait and see if they wipe the rest of my tank out, or die themselves?

I won't have the time to take them back to the store, as I am crammed in with interviews and meeting my big sister tomorrow who is over for a visit. Also I don't have any bags to put the fish into /sad.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad.gif" />

July 5, 2008
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I'm drinking and you mentioned the P&H letters, sorry but I'll have to shut up for now /sad.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad.gif" /> PM me if you wish as I WON'T comment about them on open forum.

July 5, 2008
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Sidcup aquatics - brian knows what he is talking about!
Dartford Aquatics - Mark (Brian's son) knows what he is talking about, lol
Maidenhead @ Hawley Garden centre Dartford

Few others further a field that are good as well

July 5, 2008
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QUOTE (Sofia @ Jul 5 2008, 11:31 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
OK, first of all day 4 of treatment is tomorrow.

I don't have much choice of fish stores round here sadly. Only that dreadful pets at Home apart from Aquacadabra /sad.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad.gif" /> I shall see what I can do. Do you think the other fish are safe from them?

And then also, what do you think I should do with those guppies now? Wait and see if they wipe the rest of my tank out, or die themselves?

I won't have the time to take them back to the store, as I am crammed in with interviews and meeting my big sister tomorrow who is over for a visit. Also I don't have any bags to put the fish into /sad.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad.gif" />

do u have a small tank to quarantine them?
and good luck with your interviews /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

July 5, 2008
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QUOTE (Bluedave @ Jul 5 2008, 10:41 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sidcup aquatics - brian knows what he is talking about!
Dartford Aquatics - Mark (Brian's son) knows what he is talking about, lol
Maidenhead @ Hawley Garden centre Dartford

Wow, brilliant. Thanks a lot, erm, Bluedave /wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" /> I shall certainly check them out on google and see whether I can convince Michael to drive me some time /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

July 5, 2008
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QUOTE (Malti @ Jul 5 2008, 10:42 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
do u have a small tank to quarantine them?
and good luck with your interviews /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

Hi Carlos. I don't have a small tank I'm afraid. Although we have looked into the possibility of setting one of those little kiddies ones up for quarantine purposes.
I guess, as they have been in the tank for some time now the quarantine might not help anymore anyway /sad.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad.gif" />

Thanks for the luck with the interviews. I am mostly at final stages now /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

July 5, 2008
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QUOTE (Sofia @ Jul 5 2008, 11:45 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hi Carlos. I don't have a small tank I'm afraid. Although we have looked into the possibility of setting one of those little kiddies ones up for quarantine purposes.
I guess, as they have been in the tank for some time now the quarantine might not help anymore anyway /sad.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad.gif" />

Thanks for the luck with the interviews. I am mostly at final stages now /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

you could use a bowl with an airstone - if the temp's hot enough outside(and u need to do waterchange every day/2 days). well if u quarantine now, u could do a waterchange i guess, would help the main tank much.

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July 5, 2008
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Oh, thanks Carlos. I thought they needed a filter and heater and stuff. i guess I could always leave them in the study. Air temperature is around 24 ish. I have a spare air pump and bubble stone too /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

July 5, 2008
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they do need one in the long run...but for emergencies you can leave them like that (waterchanges are there to compensate for the filter.)

here got all heaters switched off, and my tanks are at 30 C :S

July 5, 2008
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Ok, All guppies are together in a salad bowl /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" /> With an air pump hooked up. Do they need the air pump on all the time? Or do they get oxygen from the water surface?

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QUOTE (Sofia @ Jul 6 2008, 12:11 AM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ok, All guppies are together in a salad bowl /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" /> With an air pump hooked up. Do they need the air pump on all the time? Or do they get oxygen from the water surface?

I'd leave it on for them. /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" /> don't forget to add a heater if weather takes a huge dip down. (dunno how the weather behaves there)

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