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Pseudomugil cf. paskai/iriani
January 23, 2012
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Colin
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Hi,

I brought these in as a special request for a customer. There are Pseudomugil iriani and I was unable to find out too much about them, or even pics, online.

It seems that they and sp."red neon" might be the same fish?

anyway, some pics...

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There are ten of them in total and although they came in with water pH 4.5 I have them in 6.5 now

Quite a pretty fish!

January 23, 2012
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Pseudomugil "iriani", = Pseudomugil "red neon", = Pseudomugil sp. cf. paskai

But only according to some Asian blog, no idea how accurate that is.

Also some discussion here, assuming the above is correct -

http://translate.google.co.uk/.....anslate?hl...456%26tbm%3Ddsc

http://www.rainbowfish.info/fo.....m/viewtopi...f=80&t=2870

A little bit of breeding info in that first link for 'paskai'

January 23, 2012
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P. 'iriani' is a fictitious name I think Colin and it does appear to be the same fish also being traded as P. cf. paskai? Undescribed and possibly from SW Papua New Guinea is all I know.

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Cake or death?
January 23, 2012
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Thanks guys

Tom - thanks for that, I hadnt seen that site.

also on the lists just now are P. pellucidus and P. ivantsoffy all quite pretty looking fish, although more expensive than the "typical" rainbows

January 23, 2012
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Nice pics. I recently bought a pair of these P. cf. paskai. Very pretty fish. I also bought some P. pellucidus about a month ago but they all died within a few days despite looking healthy when I got them. Don't know what went wrong there! Maybe they're very sensitive to changes in their environment?

January 23, 2012
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well, as I said in the first post the pH of the bag they imported in was at pH 4.5, which is unusual as the majority of bags from this exporter are bang on 5.5. So I had to quickly adjust the pH down a bit further to match... and then slowly bring them up a bit as it is more practical. Could have been stress that caused the deaths of yours from pH change?

I'll probably get the next species in a week or two and post pics

Cheers

January 26, 2012
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offered a whole raft of pseudos last week but most not available when ordered.
Almost all of the fish are to be found in Adrian Tappin's fantastic book.

January 26, 2012
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is this the e book?

January 27, 2012
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That's the one Colin. /thumbs_up.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":thumbsup:" border="0" alt="thumbs_up.gif" />

Cake or death?
January 27, 2012
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Wow, that *is* a nice Pseudomugil. Another one I now wish we had in Australia. Quite a popular genus here to keep, but limited #s of PNG species are in the country.

January 27, 2012
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QUOTE (Colin @ Jan 23 2012, 04:57 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
well, as I said in the first post the pH of the bag they imported in was at pH 4.5, which is unusual as the majority of bags from this exporter are bang on 5.5. So I had to quickly adjust the pH down a bit further to match... and then slowly bring them up a bit as it is more practical. Could have been stress that caused the deaths of yours from pH change?

I'll probably get the next species in a week or two and post pics

Cheers

Not sure. I had a fairly low pH in the tank they were in. Also I don't get my fish directly from the exporter like you get yours. Anyway, the P. pellucidus are really cool. They might not be very colourful but they have an appearence that is pretty distinct from other Pseudomugil and the red/yellow colouring (some males had red and some males had yellow stripes) in the anal fin is pretty striking.

January 28, 2012
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The three Psudomugils on the list this week are...

Pseudomugil ivantsoffy
Pseudomugil pellucidus
Pseudomugil iriani

January 29, 2012
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I have "iriani" and pellucidus.

Iriani is an invalid name, of course, and it is not clear at this time just what it is. It is certainly a part of "gertrudae/paskai complex" (if there is such a thing), but there are some differences as well... a chance of new species. With this species we have a chance of an early DNA test to perhaps answer some questions.
They are easy to breed, albeit less prolific than gertrudae. It seems that the egg size is a bit larger, and the fry develops faster than gerts. My largest fry is >1cm now (2 wks).

I'd suggest calling them P.sp.neon or P.sp.red ... it is the lesser evil among the proposed names (ariani pretends to be a real name, which it is not, and cf.paskai makes one wonder why "cf.paskai" and not "cf.gertrudae")

Pellucidus: the importer who got them for me also lost them on the first try... not clear just what went wrong but they arrived very weak (neons were fine)...worked on the 2nd try /biggrin.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" /> After two weeks of having them, I can report this single /sad.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad.gif" /> sighting yesterday:
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I have a bad feeling about the easiness of breeding.... large eggs, implying there will not be too many....

Ivansoffi (not ivansoffy as written on the export list): What is being exported now seems very similar to the "Deky" strain... so I passed on these (I keep Deky already). There are two strains of Ivansoffi around, btw, "Deky" and "Kopi", and it is not certain if these should not be two separate species.

January 29, 2012
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QUOTE (Colin @ Jan 28 2012, 07:11 AM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
The three Psudomugils on the list this week are...

Pseudomugil ivantsoffy
Pseudomugil pellucidus
Pseudomugil iriani

And there is also an unusual wild caught melanotaenia on the list.

February 25, 2012
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In re: Pseudomugil pellucidus.

I have a couple of babies as of this morning /biggrin.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" />

The fry takes forever to hatch (3 weeks), and is huge... larger than any rainbow fry I've seen yet... /biggrin.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" />

February 25, 2012
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Yeah the few "iriani" eggs I have collected have been funny about hatching - the first hatched after 14 days and then some waited 20 days - of course, this could just be down to the time taken for me spotting them in the wool mops /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

so, I have about 7 or 8 fry and still some eggs to go, using paramecia as a first food /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

first rainbows i have had fry from so nothing to compare size with LOL

nice egg pic by the way - missed it last time /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

February 25, 2012
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pellucidus fry is at least twice the size of "iriani", "iriani" is about the same size as p.gertrudae -- hopefully that gives you a scale. "iriani" otoh are possibly the fastest growing rainbow fry... you feed them a lot, they will get to half the adult size in five weeks. And what is nice about them is that they are not aggressive: p.gertrudae fry attacks other fry... "iriani" once they grow up a bit quietly stay in the bottom of the tank and ignore smaller fry on top.

That egg -- thanks -- was the first one and infertile /sad.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad.gif" /> but all I've collected since were good... Very few, however, I only have two babies and 8 eggs so far.

February 25, 2012
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will try for pics of mine tomorrow if i get a chance /wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" />

February 25, 2012
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Mine are here (fish is mine,photos are not).

BTW, you do not need paramecium with them... Sera Micron or similar hq powder food, they will take artemia in about 3 days. The only rainbows that need paramecium are i.werneri and some glossos.

February 25, 2012
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I got some German bred three weeks ago. Seem to be a little delicate in shippment, specially when coming from the Indonesian breeder. Not easy to take pics when time is short. For comparison only here two just after incoming

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At least I have some females to try ...
H.G. Evers made a remark about the possible provenance, posted 25th january here in the original version
http://www.regenbogenfisch-for......de/board7...kai/index2.html
and the pics are splendid.
Mine are looking gorgeous by now.
cheers Charles

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