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Puntius identities
June 27, 2012
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I've been busy updating species profiles to fall in line with the new website and have made a couple of interesting 'discoveries' regarding common species in the trade. 

The first is that the 'clown barb' in the aquarium hobby does not appear to be P. everetti from Borneo, but P. dunckeri from the Malay Peninsula. This has been mentioned before (by Heok Hee I think?) but I'd never managed to get around to editing the profiles.

Based on the descriptions and field images P. everetti is an overall less colourful fish possessing relatively small dark body markings, a distinctive dark blotch at the posterior base of the dorsal-fin, and 3½ scales above the lateral line. In P. dunckeri the dark body markings are significantly larger, there is no blotch at the posterior of the dorsal-fin base, and there are 4½ scales above the lateral line.

Here are pics, first P. everetti by Michael Lo, then P. dunckeri by CK Yeo.

 

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October 2, 2012
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Is this one P. sophore perhaps?

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October 2, 2012
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Or possibly Chola ?

October 3, 2012
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Does chola have that orange patch on the opercle Andy?

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October 3, 2012
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Yeah there are quite a few of the Asian Barbs have the orange/red cheeks !

October 3, 2012
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Ok so P. sophore, P. chola, S. orphoides...any more? And do all P. chola have the marking?

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October 4, 2012
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Do I see a serrated dorsal spine?

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Is this one P. sophore perhaps?

 

October 4, 2012
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Hmm, yeah I think you do.Laugh

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October 5, 2012
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That rules out sophore and chola. Something from the Pethia ticto group.

October 5, 2012
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Are there any species from that group with an orange opercular marking Rahul? If it had a caudal peduncle blotch it would look pretty similar to P. thelys...

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October 5, 2012
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This one seems to have more pored scales than P. thelys. Can't think of any species with red opercular marks off hand, but courting males of many species do show some red there, as part of an overall "lateral reddening".

October 6, 2012
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Parrah ?

 

Can't see it being Thelys ?

October 6, 2012
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Hi Matt , the Knowledge Base pics 1 + 4 of P.ticto are P.punctatus , and the fish you show as P.punctatus  is P.muvattupuzhaenis tentativly at least !

October 8, 2012
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Hi Andy, ok can make those changes. Where is the info from if you don't mind me asking?

I don't think the fish in the photo is P. thelys either, was just commenting on its vague similarity. :)

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October 8, 2012
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Hi Matt , Marc's paper ,though I can't access it ?

The Punctatus i.d is pretty sound , the Muvattupuzhaenis is tentative according to Marc !

October 9, 2012
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Cheers! Was even doubting the id on that cf. muvattupuzhaensis (which I guess we should now call it?) as I added it to the profile.Smile Off to edit the two profiles now.

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October 25, 2012
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Er, only just got around to this, apologies, all done now.Embarassed

Andy, do you it's ok to list the fish we previously had as under P. punctata as P. cf. muvattupuzhaensis for the time being?

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October 26, 2012
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Mmm, possibly with a question mark ? I think I kinda jumped the gun just a little ,the two pics by Mick are definitely P.punctata ,and the fish with the red dorsal might be Muvattupuzhaenis ,Marc wouldnt quite commit on the one with the red dorsal ,sooo I guess it might be worth keeping in Punctata as a possible Muvattupuzhaenis :)  ??????

October 29, 2012
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Hmm okay, it doesn't look much like Mick's fish though right?

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October 29, 2012
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Mmm dunno Matt , I'd say they looked superficially similar ? apparently the one with red dorsal lacks speckling ,what makes them similar for me is the position of the caudal spot ! it also helps to distinguish both of them from Ticto !

Could do with reading Marc's paper on Nigripinnis, perhaps these two are referenced ,I know there are pics ?

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