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Puntius tiantian
August 7, 2012
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Do adult males maintain the copperish colouration on the flanks as seen here year-round or is it a nuptial thing? Pic by Graham Ramsay:

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August 7, 2012
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all the sources i have seen indicates that it fades but my sources may not be accurate.

 

 

 

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August 11, 2012
4:32 pm
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Hi Matt I had two pair of these a long time ago ,and I think that coppery colour remained ,I'd guess the colour would be strong on well conditioned fish most of the time ? the females were a nice lemon colour ,when I had mine I wasn't sure they were true fish I thought they had been crossed with the then Odessa :)   !

August 13, 2012
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Cheers guys. Andy so would you say this is adult, rather than spawning, colouration then?

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August 13, 2012
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Yeah I would , I'm guessing the pic on this thread is from a fish show ?

Perhaps the fish's owner might explain better ?

September 9, 2012
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Reading the paper on P.padamya[Odessa] they compare with Didi and note Didi's lack of red colouration on the body as in Padamya ! they comment that they doubt they would have missed the colouration !

 

Interestingly though the paper they did on Tiantian and Didi ,they didn't mention the coppery body colour on the male Tiantians SO they obviously missed that !

 

I'm aware of the pic here SF of the Didi male ?

 

I'm not convinced that it really is a Didi male because the paper shows a dead specimen which has far more pattern/flecks/spots on dorsal ,anal and ventral fins !

 

I'm not saying it is or isn't a Didi BUT I'd guess if so it would be a female due to lack of pigmentation on fins ?

 

Wouldn't it be great if the Ichthyologists had had the time to setup three tanks with a group of each Padamya / Tiantian /Didi  all in seperrate tanks so we could properly identify these very closely related fishes ?

 

What I find slightly frustrating is that the ichthyologists explaining the difference between Didi and Cummingii ? where the real importance would be trying to differentiate between Padamya, tiantian and Didi due to their geographical closeness and obvious physical similarities ?

September 10, 2012
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Yeah, the reason I was asking whether or not this colouration is seasonal is because there's no mention in the paper like you say Andy. :-/

The P. didi photos came identified as such but they may well show something else? Think it was a wild fish collected by Tin Win and sent to HW Choy.

Could the degree of pigmentation in the fins be related to age or gender?

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September 10, 2012
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Hi Matt , I think that the pigmentation in the fins would be starting to appear in quite young fish and could be a great way of determining sexes ,especially the ventral fins , I suspect as in Padamya and Tiantian that only male fish develop the flecking in the ventrals ?

 

The fish identified as didi reminds me of the female of Tiantian ? though having said that BAS once had a tank full of decent sized fish that all had that yellowish cast similar to the fish in Choys pic ? labeled as wild Burmese Barb so I suppose without proper pics of Didi it's a case of waiting to see if definite specimens turn up ?

 

Funnily enough I've just picked up a small group of fish from BAS that were labeled as Yellow Finned Cummingii [the only cummingii !] as I was looking at these fish I was thinking there was something not quite right ,and then I noticed a little blue fleck behind the gill plate aka Padamya and Tiantian ,so I'm wondering if I might have stumbled upon Didi ? anyway I picked up 12 well when I got home there were only 11 in the bag Smile! out of the 11 there are either 3 or 4 males [flecked ventrals] they are only small 2 or 3 cm's but are sexable the flecking isnt as intense on the ventrals as say Padamya ! and there is a slight pinkish tinge to the males aka Padamya but not nearly as intence ,but they are still young and need to grow a bit ,and I suppose they could turn out to be Padamya ? interestingly the females are quite nicely coloured showing nice pinky red fins !

September 10, 2012
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This was a pic of a tiantian I took a few months ago at a show.

 

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September 10, 2012
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Hi Steve , good pic ! is it me or does this fish look old ?

 

Hi Matt , I spoke to Choy on face book about the fish in his pic [here SF] and it was given to him as Didi by Kamphol ,but Choy himself felt it looked more female than male ?

 

Personally i still think the book is wide open on Didi Confused ?

September 11, 2012
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Thanks guys. To add further confusion here are pics of both species taken by Kamphol I have saved to disc; P. tiantian at top, P. didi below.

The P. didi seem to have quite a lengthy lateral line which if so would be at odds with the description? Also appear to lack the diagnostic dark markings in the fins?

Andy, maybe it's time to polish off your camera for its annual outing? :D Would love to see those new ones you got!

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September 11, 2012
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Andy hasnt got a camera. Mick used to take photos for him. he needs to bring em to a show and I'll have a go for him, that's if he can untie the apron strings ;o)

 

On the subject of didi etc, I think the situation is far from clear.

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September 11, 2012
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Hi Matt that new pic by Kamphol makes everything a lot clearer ,the fish in that new pic both appear to be male ? which would make Choys fish a probable female ?

 

I'd have to say that the fish I picked up are more than likely Padamya varients ? [still young] and no bad thing as I've always had a soft spot for Odessa's !

 

What for me is slightly frustrating is the fish depicted in the paper Tiantian and Didi as Didi IMO is a Padamya ,the pigmentation is far more prevalent in the supposed dead Didi than is apparent on Kamphols pic ! which would be unlikely in reality ?

 

One things for sure I'd like to get some Didi's ,Beautiful looking things Smile

 

Matt ,Steve's right about the camera LaughI've only just stopped clubbing my dinner Confused

September 12, 2012
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Ahh I thought you had one hence those pics you posted last year!

So I can leave the P. didi profile as is or better to amend to cf. didi?

Mine's an otter next time you go out Andy.Laugh

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September 12, 2012
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"Ahh I thought you had one hence those pics you posted last year ! "

 

Matt that was my daughters and its broken Cry once she get a new one I'll try again !

 

Funnily enough I picked up a dozen Padamya's about a month ago ,this new lot [none Didi ] makes the group up to 23 Laugh.

 

How come you never used Kamphols pic before ,I'd guess male fish make Identification easier ?

September 13, 2012
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The pics are a bit small for profiles so I never asked his permission, basically. Will shoot him an email now - let's see if he has more.Smile

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October 23, 2012
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The owner of the fish in the first post is Bernard O'Neil (Workington AS).

October 24, 2012
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Do you want me to add that info to the profile Graham?

Obtained and added a higher-resolution pic of P. didi from Kamphol.

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October 24, 2012
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Matt said
Do you want me to add that info to the profile Graham?

Obtained and added a higher-resolution pic of P. didi from Kamphol.

Not fussed Matt. It was just in case anyone knew Bernard and wanted more information about them. I've been asked a couple of times whose fish it is. He is a regular at shows and auctions in N. England and Scotland so loads of folk are at least on nodding acquaintance with him. I saw him a couple of weeks ago & he still has them & manipurensis too.

October 24, 2012
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Thanks for the info Graham ,and for the wonderful pic which depicts Tiantian beautifully !

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