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Puntius Vs. Systomus
August 16, 2008
2:16 am
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Matt
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Any views as to how I should organise the Asian barbs in the species database? Everything as Puntius or should we follow Rainboth and split them into Puntius and Systomus?

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August 16, 2008
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what's the difference between Puntius and Systomus?

August 16, 2008
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If there isn't a consensus about splitting the catch-all that is Puntius then I'd be inclined to leave everything in there for the simple reason that that is the name most people will be familiar with and so would be looking for. Could always note in the profile that a species may be moved to a new genus.

Would it be possible to do a redirect to the appropriate Puntius if someone did a search for a Systomus?

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August 16, 2008
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QUOTE (Malti @ Aug 16 2008, 10:48 AM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
what's the difference between Puntius and Systomus?

Rainboth used Systomus for small barbs with 2 or 4 barbels, less than 12 gill rakers on the first gill arch and a serrated dorsal-fin spine.

Puntius would have only 2 (never 4) barbels, and more than 12 gill rakers on the first arch and a smooth dorsal spine.

So that would make many of the barbs encountered in the aquarium trade Systomus. Kottelat is one of many you still use Puntius.

August 16, 2008
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ditto to what Marks said, to start using systomus would confuse rather than help people out.
easiest wat Matt is to use Puntius for Asian barbs and barbus for African barbs.

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August 16, 2008
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QUOTE (Mad Duff @ Aug 16 2008, 12:08 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
Rainboth used Systomus for small barbs with 2 or 4 barbels, less than 12 gill rakers on the first gill arch and a serrated dorsal-fin spine.

Puntius would have only 2 (never 4) barbels, and more than 12 gill rakers on the first arch and a smooth dorsal spine.

So that would make many of the barbs encountered in the aquarium trade Systomus. Kottelat is one of many you still use Puntius.

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August 16, 2008
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Thanks lads, and I agree it´ll be easier for everyone if we keep them all together. Puntius it is then!

Ps - Dunc´s feeling a bit off colour at the minute but when he´s fit and able I´ll suggest your search idea to him Mark. Cheers. /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

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August 22, 2008
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Mmmm one way to do that would be to implement a synonym field on each profile.. otherwise it would be fairly "hardcoded", i.e. I could implement that specific redirect, but it wouldn't work for other synonyms.

August 22, 2008
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....and can you imagine how long it would take to add synonyms to all our profiles? The worst part is, it's inevitable we'll have to do it someday. Mummy..... /unsure.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":unsure:" border="0" alt="unsure.gif" />

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