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Questions On Schistura
July 1, 2009
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Matt
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...beginning with S. sp. sf. balteata. Beautiful fish of which I had a group of 6 in England. From what I've seen on Petfrd there are a whole bunch of similar-looking fish but the one I'm interested in is the very colourful form that comes in 'pink' and 'yellow' varieties:

Yellow one; Mark's fish:

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Pink one; HW Choy.

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Apparently these are found living together in the wild? Anyone have any idea about the reason for the colour differences?

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July 1, 2009
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Start with the easy question eh Matt /laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="Laugh" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" />

July 1, 2009
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Alright then; what's the maximum size these have reached in your tanks? /tongue.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" />

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July 1, 2009
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The biggest I have ever got them to Matt was around 80mm SL

July 1, 2009
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Cheers mate; my biggest one was around that TL I think. /thumbs_up.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":thumbsup:" border="0" alt="thumbs_up.gif" /> The 'real' balteata grows bigger right? Also most things I read says these are aggressive but mine were fairly peaceful with one another (the amount of rockwork doubtless helped). Do things get hairier if there are other Schistura, Nemacheilus-type fish in the tank?

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July 1, 2009
7:29 pm
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Hi Matt , I've currantly got 3 in a tank of fishes with a reputation i.e. Y.mortleti [skunk Loaches] Syncrossus's Berdmorei and Beauforti , Scaphognathus sp/, and Garra Fascicauda, the latter showing little if any aggression !

The S.balteata seem ok ? possibly to quick for any real contact with said fishes ? though in fairness they are in a 5ft x 15inx 18in tank , I seem to have had them for a good while ? so I guess they are okay ? the tank base has a shollow sandy bottom with plenty of rocks and wood for cover !

July 1, 2009
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I kept a group of 8 in a 75 gallon and they ended up ripping the hell out of each other even though there was loads of cover and lines of sight were broken, I ended up with one after a few month. Strangely enough I had the less colourful balteata and they were fine with each other /blink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":blink:" border="0" alt="blink.gif" />

None of them bothered any other schistura/Nemacheilus species.

I think the normal/real balteata can reach 4".

July 1, 2009
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Mark yours sound like absolute maniacs compared with mine; they just picked a rock each to sit under and hardly interacted except at feeding time. Then they'd zoom up into midwater to catch stuff passing by in the water flow. Maybe the aggression is related to which form it is? There's a yellow-bodied one in the background here but the fish at the front looks different to yours?
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July 1, 2009
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I had both of those colour forms Matt, it was the yellow ones that were nut jobs the others were fine.

Possible sexual dimorphism ? or could it be a natural hybrid/variant with psychotic tendencies /laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="Laugh" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" />

July 1, 2009
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My 2 sound about like yours Matt. They're in my 75 botia tank with sand and lots of rocks & wood. They give each other a quick chase off the food but it's harmless. They never bother anything else.
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Sharing space with the liniparhomaloptera.
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July 1, 2009
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These two threads might help (or confuse) if you've not read them already,

http://www.petfrd.com/forum/sh.....thread.php...hlight=balteata

http://forums.loaches.com/view.....pic.php?t=...hlight=balteata

As far as i can tell from them there's at least four similar looking species balteata, paucifasciata, cincticauda and the cf balteata. Probably a load more though. lol

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July 1, 2009
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Hello.
Here is a habitat photo ,Note the Blackwater ..But the ph is not very low .
I collected them in Febuary , They blend in really well in the tanned water .
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There are many different populations , I got so carried away catching them I didnt take a picture .
I think they were Balteata 1
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July 2, 2009
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QUOTE (Sojapat @ Jul 1 2009, 04:41 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hello.
Here is a habitat photo ,Note the Blackwater ..But the ph is not very low .
I collected them in Febuary , They blend in really well in the tanned water .
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There are many different populations , I got so carried away catching them I didnt take a picture .
I think they were Balteata 1
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Where is this Sojapat?

July 2, 2009
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Cracking info Neil; are they always found in stained water? Also what do you mean by "balteata 1"? Has someone created a system for identifying the different forms?

Don't suppose you have any higher-res images of the habitat?

Think that's enough questions for now. /tongue.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" />

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July 18, 2009
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Ok just to add a bit of additional info it seems that the 'true' S. balteata is known as 'Sumo I' and the brightly-coloured one 'Sumo II'. I've had contact with Kamphol who says that all the Sumo II's in the trade are sourced from the Ataran River in Myanmar, a tributary of the Salween.

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July 18, 2009
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Matt there a few regional variants bud, BAS had another form in wierd looker as well mate.

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July 18, 2009
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Not sure if its in the same species complex but I like S. disparizona, mate... /cool.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="B)" border="0" alt="cool.gif" />

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July 18, 2009
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THAT is beautiful, it looks like a bit of a handful as well.

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July 22, 2009
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With the cf. balteata has anyone noticed any differences in behaviour between the pink and yellow ones? I know this is probably a stupid question but males and females of both colours have been seen right?

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