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Salt And Plecos
February 24, 2009
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For years the old timers have said "a little addition of salt cures anything". Lately I have read here and there that salt will kill Plecos. Is this true?

February 24, 2009
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Personally I never use salt as a treatment for anything but I imagine in very small doses that most Loricariids could survive. In higher concentrations I doubt it as the waters they come from are generally low in dissolved minerals. Hope someone can provide some more detailed info Reva. /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

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February 24, 2009
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Hey

Yes even small amounts of tonic salt can have a bad effect upon certain Plecos and close loricarin relatives.

Without wishing to play down their importance, and beauty, the 'common' Hypostomus and Gibbiceps species are usually fine with small amounts of aquarium/tonic salt in their tank(s).

Loricarins which show the most 'resistance' to all types of aquarium salts are Ancistrus. For this reason they have become popular for Rift Valley aquaria - although this is not the ideal residence for them.

The catfish which have the strangest relationship with salt are 'Hoplosternum'. The fry are immune to salt and need brineshrimp in order to grow. In contrast adults (even though wild populations live close to the coast) will panic and 'turn over' if salt concentrations in their aquaria are hightened, e.g. when used to cure velvet, for any reason.

Regards David

February 25, 2009
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QUOTE (David Marshall @ Feb 24 2009, 12:11 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hey

Yes even small amounts of tonic salt can have a bad effect upon certain Plecos and close loricarin relatives.

Without wishing to play down their importance, and beauty, the 'common' Hypostomus and Gibbiceps species are usually fine with small amounts of aquarium/tonic salt in their tank(s).

Loricarins which show the most 'resistance' to all types of aquarium salts are Ancistrus. For this reason they have become popular for Rift Valley aquaria - although this is not the ideal residence for them.

The catfish which have the strangest relationship with salt are 'Hoplosternum'. The fry are immune to salt and need brineshrimp in order to grow. In contrast adults (even though wild populations live close to the coast) will panic and 'turn over' if salt concentrations in their aquaria are hightened, e.g. when used to cure velvet, for any reason.

Regards David

Thanks David and Matt. I lost a clown pleco once after the addition of salt. I was considering purchasing some Celebes Rainbows, who like some salt, and was curious whether the salt was the reason that the pleco kicked the bucket. I have three plecos that I really like. None of them are Gibbiceps, but I have a hard time pinning down exactly what they are. They were sold as a Chocolate Pleco (deep golden color with red eyes, stopped growing at 6"), and a Marble Sailfin Pleco (looks similar to Gib except it has an enormous dorsal fin and distinct polka dots. Basic body color shifts between dark grey and wheat , depending on mood. stopped growing at 8"). Any guesses who these are? I have two of the marbles...a big one with the Parrots, and a baby with the tetras. chocolate lives with Rainbows

February 25, 2009
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Hey Reva the "chocolate pleco" sounds like a member of the Hypostomus cochliodon complex and the "marble sailfin" is maybe Pterygoplichthys joselimaianus (pic of Mike's fish below)?

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February 25, 2009
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I wouldn't use salt with plec's or cory's - I've found even a small amount will kill them. I think the same applys to loaches but not sure?

As for using salt as a treatment - i use salt baths for fish that have fungal infection (obviously not the fish mentioned above!) but I wouldn't add it directly to the tank (I wouldn't add any treatment directly to the tank anyway).

February 25, 2009
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Hey Reva

In the U.K. the Chocolate, or Bruno, Plec. is one of several similar Cochilodon/Hypostomus species yet to be given proper scientific classification.

These are covered in pages 90 to 93 of the excellent 'Back to Nature Guide to L-Catfishes' by Ingo Seidel (ISBN 978-91-89258-11-2).

Sadly the clearing of logs, the Chocolate Plecs. depend on these as spawning hollows, to prevent damage to cattle is putting the future of these fish in the balance.

For the Aquatic Societies in Northern England I do a talk/lecture on starting with catfish. My friend, Kevin Webb, took a photograph of my Chocolate Plec. to go with this talk. If I can sort something will e-mail the photo. to Matt knowing that our friend will add this to the posting.

Regards David

February 25, 2009
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Whoops deleted your double post David. /tongue.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" /> Yes if you can get the pic it would be great. We have one in the knowledge base but it's not the best to be fair.

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February 25, 2009
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I am waiting for Kevin to phone me back as photo. is Kev's copyright.

A double posting?

February 25, 2009
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Yeah your second-to-last post appeared twice so I deleted the extra one. /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

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February 25, 2009
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Thanks Matt

I will blame it on the excitement of having my first Neolamprologus lelupi fry.

Regards David

February 26, 2009
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Well the picture is beautiful and similar, but the color is darker and the dorsal fin not as high as mine. My chocolate plec is actually a golden honey color. When he was a 2"fry he was the color of milk chocolate, but he got more and more golden. I am having trouble accessing the knowledge base pictures. (my kitten walked on my keyboard and gave my apple a command..sigh). If you guys can post pics of guesses it would be nice. I will try to get some pictures of my fish. I think you'd like seeing them as my rainbows are really nice, and of course, you'd be able to tell me if my big parrot is a pink fire David /rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" />

I dont believe that salt bothers botia, as I have had mine forever and not ever lost one, even though I was giving them a sea salt tonic every now and then until I lost that plec. I know that must make your hair stand on end, but I know a LFS guy in Portland Oregon that regularly dumps a cup of salt in every tank in his store, and tried his level best to convince me that it saved you from getting nasty organisms when adding new fish. I never dumped in that much, but I sorta believed him. /blush.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":blush:" border="0" alt="blush.gif" /> that was a long time ago /blush.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":blush:" border="0" alt="blush.gif" /> /huh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":huh:" border="0" alt="huh.gif" />

Wouldnt you like to have one of these? In searching for images that match mine, I saw this guy..wow

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February 26, 2009
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Mmm, A. adonis; they get massive mind Reva. Here's my old one. /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

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February 26, 2009
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QUOTE (Matt @ Feb 26 2009, 12:20 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
Mmm, A. adonis; they get massive mind Reva. Here's my old one. /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />


Beautiful Matt! /wub.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":wub:" border="0" alt="wub.gif" /> He doesnt look very big next to that sword plant. How big did he get?

February 26, 2009
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QUOTE (David Marshall @ Feb 25 2009, 11:39 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
Thanks Matt

I will blame it on the excitement of having my first Neolamprologus lelupi fry.

Regards David

Congrats David!! I love those. Pop name Lemon Cichlid here. I have always wanted to try Lake T Cichlids, but have always been afraid they would kill each other and I'd cry /unsure.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":unsure:" border="0" alt="unsure.gif" />

February 27, 2009
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QUOTE (Reva @ Feb 27 2009, 12:02 AM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
Beautiful Matt! /wub.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":wub:" border="0" alt="wub.gif" /> He doesnt look very big next to that sword plant. How big did he get?

The sword plant is actually a Bornean giant plant from the Cretaceo.....errr actually it's about 1.5" SL in that pic Reva. /blush.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":blush:" border="0" alt="blush.gif" /> I had it about 18 months and it was 6" or so when I got rid.

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February 27, 2009
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QUOTE (Matt @ Feb 27 2009, 02:03 AM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
The sword plant is actually a Bornean giant plant from the Cretaceo.....errr actually it's about 1.5" SL in that pic Reva. /blush.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":blush:" border="0" alt="blush.gif" /> I had it about 18 months and it was 6" or so when I got rid.

double wow /ph34r.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":ph34r:" border="0" alt="ph34r.gif" /> All I can grow is anubia and java fern...the rainbows eat everything else /laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="Laugh" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" />
I would never have "got rid" of that guy! next time make an emergency sales call to the Pacific NW ( I Love Plecos) Do you mind if I ask how expensive he was?

February 27, 2009
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Lol those swords were grown in about 1" deep sand with no fertiliser or anything. /tongue.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" /> Here's the tank, note the expensive lid and light fittings. /cool.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="B)" border="0" alt="cool.gif" />

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I think the adonis cost £20 at about 1".

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February 27, 2009
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adonis for a 4 inch one in a shop would be abould 40 pounds ish. they will get big given time but unfortunately also lose the colouration - they end up a dull grey / black

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QUOTE (ndc @ Feb 27 2009, 10:25 AM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
adonis for a 4 inch one in a shop would be abould 40 pounds ish. they will get big given time but unfortunately also lose the colouration - they end up a dull grey / black


so today a 40 pounds ish adonis pleco would cost me around $56. US...not bad actually. The local fish store (the good one) wants $50. - $75. for a more exotic pleco like Royal Plecos
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Matt that tank is beautiful! What is the substrate?

my guy looks alot like these guys:

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