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Se Asian Biotope Species Set
December 30, 2011
5:37 pm
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Jakub
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Hi all

I'm hoping to attract comments on the proposed fish communities (at the moment I am just trying to gather information on compatibility etc, before choosing one of the options below and actually setting up a biotope-style tank).

The tank I was thinking of would be approx. 125L (150 max) with an internal filter so fish communities below are calculated (I hope) to fit.

Borneo stream #1

4-6 x Puntius rhomboocellatus
10-12 x Rasbora sarawakensis (if I can get them)
6-8 x Pangio semicincta (I mean the fish referred to as 'coolie loach', but apparently Pangio kuhlii is now considered a different fish(?))
? x Hemirhamphodon pogonognathus or Hemirhamphodon kapuasensis **

** Has anyone got any experience with these? I'm interested in them because they seem rare, look different and are clearly a pelagic species and therefore might be able to fill a niche – surface area of the tank. Also they appear in some catchment reports from Borneo (well, H. pogonognathus does anyway).

R. sarawakensis could be replaced with borapetensis maybe, although I suppose that would make the tank less Borneo-specific plus I'm really impressed with pictures of sarawakensis I have seen so far so I would rather stick to sarawakensis. Alternatively I could try a shoal of Boraras brigittae.

Borneo stream #2

2-6 x Betta akarensis
10-15 x Rasbora or Trigonostigma sp.
6-8 Pangio shelfordii or other Pangio sp.
Kottelatlimia sp. (?)

The way I see this, it would be a long shallow (~35cm high) tank with bottom cluttered with wood/leaves and plants along the sides mainly (or even more shallow without the rasboras). I understand that P. shelfordii shows preference for some litter and leaf cover at the bottom of the tank (is that true?)

Of course I'm not even sure if P. shelfordii is available in trade in the UK (another issue is whether I would be able to distinguish it from other Pangio fish). I suppose other Pangio species (semicincta, malayana?) would be ok in this setup too.

As for Kottelatlimia sp. all I know about them is that they are bottom dwellers, like to bury themselves, and are rather frail and small (and live in the region obviously). So again if anyone can offer an opinion on their attractiveness, usefulness or compatibility as an aquarium fish it would be greatly appreciated.

Finally, on Borneo tanks – I am quite impressed with pictures of Trigonostigma hengeli – but I understand it is disputed whether it actually occurs in Borneo? If I find any study material that confirms Borneo habitats I will definitely take this fish into consideration as it looks stunning.

With regards to plants I have done only a limited amount of reading, but it seems I would rely on the following (if available):

Microsorium pteropus
Microsorium pteropus latifolia
Ceratopteris siliquos (?)
Cryptocoryne moehlmannii
Cryptocoryne undulatus (green/brown)
Cryptocoryne ferruginea(?)
Cryptocoryne fusca
Cryptocoryne longicauda

Any advice on plants / or plant related internet sources most welcome.

Peninsular Malaysia tank #1

6 x Sphaerichthys osphromenoides
2-6 x Betta imbellis
15-30 x Boraras maculatus
6-8 x Pangio sp.

Peninsular Malaysia tank #2 (without the difficult chocolate gourami)

2-6 x Trichogaster leeri (Trichopodus leerii?)
10-15 x Trigonostigma heteromorpha
6-8 Pangio sp.
maybe a Brevibora species (B.cheya or B. dorsiocellata – any recommendations?)
1 x Betta splendens male

This would need to be heavily planted with Cryptocoryne and Microsorium sp. Plants (i.e. Cryptocoryne balansae, Cryptocoryne griffithii).

Not sure if T. leeri would tollerate B. splendens' fins though...

In general, I have been trying to pick smaller species of fish because I only want a 125l tank. Could anyone recommend any peaceful, bottom dwelling fish other than Pangio family? Everything else I have seen is either too big or needs too strong a current.

Thoughts?

Cheers
Jakub

December 31, 2011
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Hi Jakub

welcome to the forum and nice to see such a well thought out couple of ideas.

I can tell you that R sarawakensis are available just now but Betta akaransis will be tricky to find.

Dont think that leeri will appreciate the Betta or vice versa?

I'll be looking to bring some Rasboras in at some time in January so let me know if you are still wanting some as thy might be worth a punt
cheers
Colin

December 31, 2011
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Moved to this forum which I've renamed slightly to give these kind of threads a home. /ph34r.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":ph34r:" border="0" alt="ph34r.gif" />

Cake or death?
December 31, 2011
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QUOTE (Colin @ Dec 31 2011, 10:59 AM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
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I'll be looking to bring some Rasboras in at some time in January so let me know if you are still wanting some as thy might be worth a punt
cheers
Colin

Cheers Colin,

January will definitely be too soon for me, but thank you for the offer. At the moment all of it is on paper, probably will stay that way until May/June... Great news about the sarawakensis though, have you kept this species yourself?

Matt: I though I was posting in the wrong thread, but couldn't find anything better /blush.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":blush:" border="0" alt="blush.gif" />

January 2, 2012
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No, but each month I have been ordering a new species of Rasbora and trying to get the species that are hardly ever seen in shops.

So many to choose from but always guides my hand a bit when I know people are looking for certain species...

January 2, 2012
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Agreed, it's nice to see a well thought out plan!

QUOTE (l_auf @ Dec 31 2011, 04:20 AM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
With regards to plants I have done only a limited amount of reading, but it seems I would rely on the following (if available):

Microsorium pteropus
Microsorium pteropus latifolia
Ceratopteris siliquos (?)
Cryptocoryne moehlmannii
Cryptocoryne undulatus (green/brown)
Cryptocoryne ferruginea(?)
Cryptocoryne fusca
Cryptocoryne longicauda

Any advice on plants / or plant related internet sources most welcome.

If you plug in "Michael Lo Borneo" into Google, you'll find some very nice field trip blogs. Offhand things like Blyxa, hairgrass, lotuses and Bucephalandras were found in Borneo streams. Few more crypt species too, the cordata complex, bullosa, keei, ciliata and possibly more.

PS: I could be wrong but I don't think C. undulatus is found in Malaysia? Ditto with C. var balansae.

January 3, 2012
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QUOTE (unissuh @ Jan 2 2012, 10:32 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
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If you plug in "Michael Lo Borneo" into Google, you'll find some very nice field trip blogs. O
(...)

PS: I could be wrong but I don't think C. undulatus is found in Malaysia? Ditto with C. var balansae.

I have read one of Mr Lo's articles but it only mentioned species of fish, I will do some more googling - thx for the tip.

Regarding Cryptocoryne undulatus, quick search reveals (majority of results, anyway) that it is restricted to Sri Lanka - not sure why I put it on the list... Btw, I have found many sites that have some sort of plant database but none with references...

Cheers

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