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Sick Fish, Eggs And Fungus?
April 25, 2008
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Sofia
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Hi there,

it's me again /sad.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad.gif" />
I think my Rams have white spot. They are the only fish with the spots so far and the spots have only appeared today.

I saw that there were also egg like things on the tank glass and some of the plant leaves. Another thing I saw that developed whilst I was at uni are little fungus like growths on the tank glass.

The images are below. Can you tell me what i should do? I read the article on white spot and will get Protozine tomorrow from Aquacadabra (I hope they have it) to treat my fish.
But what about the eggs and fungus(?)?

Thanks for the help in advance

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April 26, 2008
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i'm afraid it looks like white spot.
this can be caused by a number of factors, from a sudden change in temp to stress and the addition of new fish.
i use WS3, it is, as far as i am concerned, the best treatment on the market and lasts an awful long time.
up the tank temp to around 82-84F for the duration of the treatment, this shouldn't harm the fish, remove any charcoal from the filters and keep lights off as far as is possible.
follow the instructions and if you have any scaleless fish, IE- loaches, elephant nose, naked catfish types, i believe you use half strength. the treatment is also toxic to snails and shrimps.
as for the eggs, looks like snail eggs to me, nothing to worry about. not sure about pic one, could it be some dried plant leaf on the glass?

April 26, 2008
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Thank you Keith.

Can you tell me what WS3 is? Who manufacturs it, etc.? I don't think it's on Aquacadabra's stock list though. I did find Protozine though, so i guess i could fall back on that.

I added the bumblebees on Wednesday, so they might be the cause.

I don't have scaleless fish /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

April 26, 2008
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WS3 is the King British white spot treatment (see bottom of this page). Protazin has a good reputation though.

Personally I'd start by doing a water change including a thorough gravel vac. Then increase the temperature a little further, to 86F. Ich reproduces faster at higher temperatures and since it is only vulnerable in the free swimming stage of its lifecycle this increases the number of times that the medication can act. Remember also that there is less dissolved oxygen in warmer water, so increasing the surface agitation by angling the filter outlet up or by adding an airstone is a good idea. Melafix won't affect the white spot itself, but does help heal the wounds that the spots leave and is safe to use at the same time as a medication.

It's important to complete the course of treatment even if the spots appear to be gone sooner, and it may be necessary to repeat the entire course if they haven't all cleared up. Last time I had ich (well, one of my tanks did!) I was using the Interpet treatment and needed to do two courses.

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April 26, 2008
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Thanks Eyrie.

I have Guppies, Platies and other fish in the tank and I don't know if I can increase the temperature this much without harming them.

I am on my way out now to get the medication and might start with protozine if they don't have WS3.

Thanks

April 26, 2008
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Protozin is unbeatable, IME.

April 26, 2008
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Ok, I have added 4ml of Protozine (as stated) to my tank now.
It states on the bottle that it is a 4 day course? Should i still use it for 7?

Does anyone know if it would still be save to up the temperature to 86F?

I have Platies, Guppies, Rams, Bumblebee Gobies, Harlequins, Sparkling Gouramis and Neons.

Thanks

April 26, 2008
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It's a 7 day course.. I think you add it on day 1, 2, 3 and 6? or something? Just do whatever it says "on the tin" /biggrin.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" />

April 26, 2008
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I did read that but to me that's 4 days /biggrin.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" />

April 27, 2008
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increase the temp to 80, see how the fish are after a day, if all seems ok try 84.

April 27, 2008
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My Tank temperature is always 81F /sad.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad.gif" /> Shall I go a bit up now anyway? Say to 84F?

April 27, 2008
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yes, that should be fine for the fish, but keep an eye on them, they may need a bit of extra oxygen as the temp rises ( increased temp forces oxygen out of the water).

April 27, 2008
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I do have an airstone in that runs day and night too. I could add a second airpump and air stone in if need be.

Thanks for all the help.

April 28, 2008
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My advice would be to keep an eye on the fish and if you see them gasping hook up the second airpump. That first pic is confusing me too, my first thought was hydra but the more I look the more it isn't. Can you try to get a more detailed close-up Sofia? One final thing, no more new fish for a while ok? /tongue.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" />

Cake or death?
April 28, 2008
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I promise! /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

I have cleaned the tank inside out, so don't have the chance to take any morwe pictures. I will keep an eye on it though and will post if it comes back.

My Rams are very aggressive. Mainly one of them. One has taken over the grotto and the other is 'guarding' the forecourt to the grotto. He will chase all the fish that come close away, but will also go against the other ram in the grotto although very rarely. So i thought that it might be breeding behaviour, but they are both male I think (both have the black rays on the dorsal fin by the head).
They started doing that before any salt was added,m the temperature raised or anything.
Any ideas?

I am checking if they are gasping for air, but so far don't seem to be and seem to do as if notjhing has changed really.

April 28, 2008
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Are both of your rams in the pics above or just one of them?

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April 28, 2008
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Just one. Will get a picture of each of them for you /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

April 28, 2008
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Here are the pictures of the second Ram. He/she is not keen on getting out of the grotto /sad.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad.gif" />

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April 28, 2008
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Two boys indeed /rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" /> So many shops can only get hold of male rams lol.

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April 29, 2008
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Thanks for that /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

Can I do water changes whilst medicating the tank btw?

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