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Some Amazing New Fish ..
September 24, 2011
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Sojapat
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We got some great new fish this week ..
Look at the new Panaque /wub.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":wub:" border="0" alt="wub.gif" />
http://thepieraquatics.blogspot.com/
Hope it is ok to put this on Matt

September 25, 2011
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Nice. I've always wanted to keep H. acipenserinus. I didn't know wild Hypancistrus zebra were still being exported?

September 25, 2011
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I would say: not legaly exported?

September 25, 2011
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Hi
I think the legal side of it Would depend on weather they were exported directly from brazil.
Which I very much doubt they were.
I think most hypancistrus zebras are exported from Columbia or Peru bypassing the Brazilian export ban.
Rob

September 26, 2011
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B*gger the Panaque, send me some Astroblepus! /tongue.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" />

No worries about posting, you could send me some pics for the Knowledge Base.... *whistles*

Cake or death?
September 27, 2011
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QUOTE (robert @ Sep 25 2011, 10:03 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think most hypancistrus zebras are exported from Columbia or Peru bypassing the Brazilian export ban.
Rob


that's right if you meant from Brazil to another country, Rob. That's why the
fairy tale has been going around for years, that they come from Peru or Colombia too. there are no L 46 but in the rio xingu. and their export is illegal. and the price crazy.

September 29, 2011
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hi torso
yes mate that is was i meant,they are only exported from columbia or peru,but originally caught in brazil.
rob

October 26, 2011
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We have now got a new website up and running .www.pieraquatics.com
This has a stocklist and mail order details /thumbs_up.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":thumbsup:" border="0" alt="thumbs_up.gif" />

October 26, 2011
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QUOTE (torso @ Sep 25 2011, 07:19 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
I would say: not legaly exported?

It's my understanding that they can be exported for the purposes of 'scientific research' and that the illegaly traded examples have left Brazil via this 'loophole'.

There are some cracking fish there Sojapat. Do you sell many Corydoras mega metae? I'm curious because of their price tag. /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

October 26, 2011
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My understanding of the legality of L046 (at least here in the US) is as follows (paraphrased from a multitude of threads from planetcatfish as well as a presentation from Stephan Tanner of swisstropicals.com)

The Lacey Act is a federal statute which prohibits interstate wildlife trade in violation of State laws and laws of other countries. The Lacey Act, passed in 1900, is one of the United States’ primary tools for prohibiting interstate and international trafficking in protected wildlife species. The Act is enforced primarily by the Fish and Wildlife Service, the Department of Agriculture’s Animal Plant Health Inspection Service (APHIS), and U.S. customs. The Lacey Act's clear prohibitions and strong penalties have long caused legal experts to consider it “a potent weapon in the fight against widespread and highly profitable illegal wildlife traffic.”

There are two components to a violation of the Lacey Act. First, a species must be taken, harvested, possessed, transported, sold, or exported in violation of a relevant underlying law in any foreign country or the United States. This constitutes illegal sourcing. Second, a person or company must trade this illegally sourced specimen in U.S. interstate or foreign commerce—in the act’s words, one must “import,export, transport, sell, receive, acquire, or purchase.” It is only this second transaction that triggers a violation of the Lacey Act.
The Lacey Act does not impose U.S. law on other countries. “Illegally sourced” is defined by the content of a sovereign nation’s own laws.

So, if a species is protected in its country of origin (as L046 are in Brazil), then its illegal sourcing and importation into the US is illegal.

Below is a link to some information on the Lacey Act. The focus here is on the amendment that allowed for illegally sourced timber to be considered illegal on entry into the USA. There was an amendment to the Lacey Act in 2008 to clarify this point hence the focus on plants.

http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/trade/trade_ ... ey_act.xml

more generally:

http://www.illegal-fishing.info/sub_app ... tegory_id=

Since no one can "prove" that even captive bred l046 originated HERE (at least at the genetic level), in essence, all l046 are illegal no matter the size as their origin can only be Brazil.

I am not sure, obviously, of what UK laws are. I knwo when I import from Peru, Colombia, or Brazil its a lengthy inspection which coud result in $10,000 fines if something is in teh box that is on the banned list (whether I ordered it or not).

October 27, 2011
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that's very interesting. very restrictive.
when it comes to illegal import the fines in German speeking Europe are heavy as well. And from that point on the succeeding controlls of all shipments are a killer for a trader.
two points: L-catfish boom in German speeking Europe seems to be over. Take wild L 46 which is offered by Asian exporters five times a bred specimen and you can bet no importer would order. . as far as I know none has actually. Even bred specimen are no more on the wholeseller's list. Private trade still works but is decreasing. Round here you can have them for 100 €
cheers Charles

October 29, 2011
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Been over to Pier after work to see some of this stuff (like I don't get to see enough fish at work!). The whitefin schwartzi Corydoras and the Cichla really stood out for me, not seen those Corys for best part of 20 years and they are plump and healthy, the Cichla are living treasures, not sure how they swim with such big balls! The big Vampire plec pair are pretty extraordinary as well, seen them on Facebook already but in the flesh they are something else.

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